tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post7459060275552216100..comments2024-03-26T18:28:06.391-04:00Comments on Evil Editor: Face-Lift 896Evil Editorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03879826770199639420noreply@blogger.comBlogger34125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post-69176338700173810152011-04-27T12:28:28.394-04:002011-04-27T12:28:28.394-04:00This is so much better when you leave out the seri...This is so much better when you leave out the serial killer.batgirlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15143310557906978680noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post-48653714764625751922011-04-21T21:35:00.158-04:002011-04-21T21:35:00.158-04:00Phoenix I agree. I clinch up tighter than a virgin...Phoenix I agree. I clinch up tighter than a virgin on prom night when I write a query. I am taking a break from it for awhile and then get back to it. Love your suggestions.<br /><br />Thanks,<br /><br />MitchMitchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05948283872164408322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post-22871455729355115262011-04-21T14:19:55.265-04:002011-04-21T14:19:55.265-04:00Mitch, This type of plot (the drug lords coming af...Mitch, This type of plot (the drug lords coming after the policeman's family)<br />...<br /><i>If Mac is from New Jersey, are you actually saying that if he fails to kill all the traffickers, they will go to New Jersey to kill his loved ones there? If they've got time for that, they need to get a life.</i><br />...<br />has been done several times in movies (Keyser Söze) and on TV. In fact one show, did it from both sides of the blood feud. Look it up on NCIS and find the entire season with the drug lord's nasty children and Gena Rowlands as a guest star a few episodes before that. <br /><br />It's like the Hatfield and McKoys for modern times.Dave Fragmentshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17985158361431606939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post-40217128489751944592011-04-21T12:21:53.825-04:002011-04-21T12:21:53.825-04:00Why, why, why do people clinch when they go to wri...Why, why, why do people clinch when they go to write the actual query? *pounds head on desk*<br /><br />Mitch, if you can channel the voice in your comments, your query would have a much more visceral impact. Xenith noted the shorter sentences and the punchier-- more thrillerish -- way you explained things. Use some of that smart-ass voice to advantage in the query. What you're giving us is milquetoast. It's safe. And that won't win you many requests.<br /><br />With license regarding the ending: <br /><br /><i>Sixteen-year-old Mcklusky Harvey's parents shipped him off to Florida for the summer to work on those "behavioral issues" of his. He's actually enjoying himself on his grandfather's fishing boat -- until his new girlfriend goes missing. <br /><br />Turns out the trio of human traffickers that took her have disappeared into the Ten Thousand Islands. There they're holding a slew of kidnapped girls who'll soon be shipped to Cuba for auction. Mcklusky understands two things: 1) The smugglers know the islands a hell of a lot better than any cop, and 2) a flurry of boats and choppers suddenly appearing in the area will just get the girls killed. Enlisting his drug-running cousin to help him navigate the treacherous waters, Mcklusky takes off after the bad guys with nothing more than a knife, his borderline sociopathic tendencies, and an optimism that far outbalances any good sense. <br /><br />Lucky for McKlusky, an equally determined ex-CIA agent who lost his sister to the same traffickers is also closing in with revenge on his mind. But the ex-agent has hired Mcklusky's grandfather to boat him through, and that puts even more family at risk when the bad guys spring a fatal trap that not even the seasoned pro sees coming.</i>Phoenix Sullivanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03290349031002504007noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post-44355937939467260922011-04-21T11:06:04.950-04:002011-04-21T11:06:04.950-04:00Hey EE,
Not saying they will kill his family in NJ...Hey EE,<br />Not saying they will kill his family in NJ. That’s what I get for making a general statement. I will work on clearing that up.<br />As to the coincidence, this is the order. Becker hires Mcklusky’s grandfather. Chloe disappears (she is kidnapped off her dock). Becker finds evidence that points to the human traffickers and convinces Grandpa and Mcklusky not contact the law due to the fact the human traffickers are professionals and will kill the girls and flee at the first sign of a search party. Grandpa and Becker go into the islands to search. Mcklusky strikes out on his own.<br />Despite the shellacking I am taking on this story, I’m loving the questions. I see yet another huge revision in my future.Mitchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05948283872164408322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post-41497939844540766462011-04-21T10:26:27.934-04:002011-04-21T10:26:27.934-04:00It's an incredible coincidence that a guy whos...It's an incredible coincidence that a guy whose sister was kidnapped by human traffickers and who is hunting down those human traffickers hires a guide who turns out to be the grandfather of someone whose girlfriend was kidnapped by the same human traffickers. <br /><br />It sounds like:<br /><br />Becker: I want to hire a guide to help me find the human traffickers who kidnapped my sister.<br /><br />Gramps: You're in luck. I was just leaving to help my grandson find the same human traffickers, because they kidnapped his girlfriend. <br /><br /><br />Possibly the new version explains the coincidence. <br /><br />If Mac is from New Jersey, are you actually saying that if he fails to kill all the traffickers, they will go to New Jersey to kill his loved ones there? If they've got time for that, they need to get a life.Evil Editorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03879826770199639420noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post-33689045355384595452011-04-21T09:58:53.709-04:002011-04-21T09:58:53.709-04:00@ Wilikins, you hit the nail on the head, sort of....@ Wilikins, you hit the nail on the head, sort of. No mafia. But that is why I use Cuba- corrupt government and easy to pay people off. In my story Cuba is the meeting place for Rich foreign men to buy American girls. I am playing off the premise of what happens to these young, beautiful girls who disappear every year from middle class American families and are never seen again. For example Jennifer Keese from Orlando, Fl. Next, I am throwing in a what if this actually happened to them.<br /><br />I know there is no evidence of girls being held in the Ten Thousand Islands and shipped to Cuba to be sold to wealthy foreign men, but it’s plausible. <br /><br />@ 150- No cops. You’re dealing with an ex-CIA agent who wants to kill the Human Traffickers and a kid who recruits his drug running cousin to help him. There is one absolute truths about the Ten Thousand Islands (Well, besides the fact they are actually a intertwined system of mangrove trees). The drug smugglers and fishing guides know those islands a hell of a lot better than law enforcement. Besides a flurry of helicopters and boats searching the islands is a sure way to have human traffickers kill the girls and get the hell out of Dodge. <br /><br />I understand my query stinks. The comments are very helpful. Like every author, I love my story. It may never make it to print. But your comments are making it better.<br /><br />Some have mentioned that that what is the use of having an ex-CIA guy if I do not use him. While he is not prominent in the query, he is in the story. However, I am trying to focus on the MC in the query. Everything I have read tells me to do this. I am more than open to suggestions on how I might use him more in the query.<br /><br />Below is a revision of my query. I think I am moving it in the right direction, but feel it is off a little, especially the beginning. I would love to hear more input.<br /><br />Thanks Ladies and Gentlemen,<br />Mitch<br /><br />Dear Agent:<br /><br />When sixteen-year-old Mcklusky Harvey leaves New Jersey for his annual visit to his grandparent’s house in Florida, he gets to help his grandfather run tourists through the Ten Thousand Islands. And Chloe, the half Seminole-half Irish goddess he’s always cherished as a friend, becomes his girlfriend. However, three human traffickers destroy the relaxing summer he just begins to enjoy.<br /><br />The human traffickers hide two American girls in the Ten Thousand Islands until they can be shipped to Cuba for auction. But ex-CIA agent John Becker wants to save the girls and kill the traffickers who kidnapped and killed his sister, so he hires Mcklusky’s grandfather to take him into the maze of mangroves.<br /><br />When Chloe goes missing, Becker suspects the traffickers, and Becker and Mcklusky’s grandfather go to save Chloe and leave Mcklusky behind for his own safety. However, Mcklusky isn't one to let others determine the fate of someone he loves. Intent on killing the traffickers, Mcklusky strong-arms his drug running cousin into helping him find Chloe. Once he locates the human traffickers on Dismal Key, he knows if he fails to kill them, it will cause the death of everyone he loves.<br /><br />DISMAL KEY is a YA Thriller complete at 80,000 words. Thank you for your time and consideration.<br /><br />Sincerely,<br /><br />MitchMitchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05948283872164408322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post-23724614285387401862011-04-21T08:56:46.267-04:002011-04-21T08:56:46.267-04:00But no one goes into the Ten Thousand Islands alon...<i>But no one goes into the Ten Thousand Islands alone.</i><br /><br />Which is why we're all so hellbent on him calling the cops! TRUST ME, a girl will be no less grateful if a guy <i>arranges</i> her rescue by the authorities than if he swoops in himself with a Boy Scout knife between his teeth.150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post-4398802914439856352011-04-21T06:46:52.309-04:002011-04-21T06:46:52.309-04:00The last time I was in Cuba I didn't see anyon...The last time I was in Cuba I didn't see anyone with enough money to buy a new shirt. But that was a while ago.<br /><br />I wish you good luck in this. You've got work ahead of you. Believable characters are the key imho. Hard for me accept the girls are sent to Cuba unless the Mafia from (pick any European country but Italy) have decided to get cosy in Havana with the new gvt. and so on. That's a different story, granted.<br /><br />Look forward to your next version.Wilkins MacQueenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05601091849024992561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post-71912331660339575482011-04-21T06:24:12.872-04:002011-04-21T06:24:12.872-04:00Sorry, Mitch. You're not the first person to f...Sorry, Mitch. You're not the first person to find out I need a big sign saying Humour Starts Here!nonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00415222406280230021noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post-2801894841190782592011-04-21T05:56:19.957-04:002011-04-21T05:56:19.957-04:00Hello All,
Again, thank you for your comments. I ...Hello All,<br /><br />Again, thank you for your comments. I must point out two things though. First, I really was joking about Mcklusky (George, Jenn, Mick), or whoever you call him going after his girlfriend for just sex. <br /><br />Second, many have said that human trafficking of American girls does not happen and so forth. I would truly have to disagree with this. For the sake of your daughters, sisters, wives and yourself I posted a link to the article below. Forget my novel; forget the plot holes. Just know that this is a serious issue that does affect our young women. <br /><br />http://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/story?id=1596778&page=1<br /><br />http://www.suite101.com/content/sex-traffficking-of-children-in-america-a77507<br /><br />http://humantraffickingawareness.com/news-topmenu-40/218-178-art-program-to-fight-human-trafficking-of-young-american-girls.html<br /><br />Take Care,Mitchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05948283872164408322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post-13484812759748832122011-04-20T21:44:45.254-04:002011-04-20T21:44:45.254-04:00Book jacket copy:
WILL Mcklusky Harvey get his p...Book jacket copy: <br /><br /><b><i>WILL</i> Mcklusky Harvey get his piece of ass?</b><br /><br />Not exactly stakes I care about. And I can't believe it's easier for Mcklusky to get it by grabbing his KA-BAR and going after a ring of human traffickers who have a serial killer co-worker. Aren't there whores in Florida? Drug-addled runaways who'll do anything for the price of a fix? Plain old loose girls?<br /><br />This sounds like you're shaping it up to be suitable for adaptation into a kickass movie -- like Rambo. Have you read (tons of) advice on constructing a screenplay? You might get some useful guidelines for shaping your story.<br /><br />Good luck. I think it has potential.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post-60456616486922511852011-04-20T21:43:41.616-04:002011-04-20T21:43:41.616-04:00I found your explanation more interesting and easi...I found your explanation more interesting and easier to follow than the original query. That might be due to the lack of blue comments, but you use shorter sentences which have more impact and sound more natural/less like a back of book blurb. Also more specific details. Maybe forget you're writing a query letter and pretend you're telling a friend what the book is about?<br /><br />Using "serial killer/rapist" makes it sound like its some "shadowy but obviously really, really bad" guy rather than a properly developed character.Xenithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15550985137843901009noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post-53356002300322226262011-04-20T21:31:30.170-04:002011-04-20T21:31:30.170-04:00Hi Mitch -
Thanks for taking the comments with su...Hi Mitch -<br /><br />Thanks for taking the comments with such good grace. To my mind, even after your explanation, you still have two big plausibility hurdles:<br /><br />First, okay, maybe Mcklusky is crazy enough to go after a human trafficking ring with just a knife and his drug running cousin. But you've gotta give us some idea why he has a chance in hell of actually winning and not getting immediately slaughtered. <br /><br />(On a side note - please don't forget that even anti-heroes should be sympathetic if not actually likable. All we know about this kid is that he's borderline sociopathic and he thinks of his girlfriend as a piece of ass. Give us some reason to want to spend time with him.)<br /><br />Second, while some Americans may be the victims of trafficking, by and large traffickers go after populations that are already at risk, which usually means drug addicts, runaways, and the displaced. There's a reason the events of Taken happened in Paris - the victims may have been upper middle class Americans but they were also two isolated women in a foreign city. And I have never, EVER heard of people being trafficked out of America into Cuba or any other developing country. That just doesn't make financial sense: why go to the trouble when your destination country already has a bigger at-risk population, less efficient law enforcement, and a smaller pool of buyers? That's not to say it could never happen, but it's one more plausibility hurdle to clear in your query.Sarahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03029615886562584784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post-61875395403877526702011-04-20T21:27:28.142-04:002011-04-20T21:27:28.142-04:00Oi, no picking on my characters' names right a...Oi, no picking on my characters' names right at the end of someone else's face lift!<br /><br /><br />(Good thing I wasn't drinking something then.)Xenithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15550985137843901009noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post-49045248945962882622011-04-20T21:07:55.735-04:002011-04-20T21:07:55.735-04:00I want to read the book about the songs in A minor...I want to read the book about the songs in A minor. LOL.Trishahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16927558937796802496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post-66905435197235377332011-04-20T21:04:28.983-04:002011-04-20T21:04:28.983-04:00Buffy, I was joking about the going after her for...Buffy, I was joking about the going after her for sex and mommy issues.Mitchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05948283872164408322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post-58427083850191198182011-04-20T20:28:00.294-04:002011-04-20T20:28:00.294-04:00Maybe the serial killer is McKlusky's estrange...Maybe the serial killer is McKlusky's estranged grandmother, whose issues drive her to kill girls whose sassy mannerisms annoy her. And the traffickers keep her around because she makes dinner. And one trafficker is her long-lost son, Fred. He got into trafficking to get a submissive wife. When Grandma offed his fiery Guatemalan girl, they were inextricably linked forever. Gramps suspects his ex is somehow involved after she shot the Haitian housekeeper for "stealing".<br /><br />McKluskey takes after her, which is why he leaves skulls and candles in public restrooms.Khazar-khumnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post-16408010596078403492011-04-20T20:00:30.324-04:002011-04-20T20:00:30.324-04:00'Mommy issues'? Seriously? You might want ...'Mommy issues'? Seriously? You might want to read some more up to date thinking on serial killers. Also, good luck getting teen girls to care about your hero if he perceives his girlfriend's kidnapping as merely an interruption to his sex life.nonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00415222406280230021noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post-33039655749389985252011-04-20T19:36:59.786-04:002011-04-20T19:36:59.786-04:00Hello All,
Being the author of this query, I than...Hello All,<br /><br />Being the author of this query, I thank you for your input. Before I try to fill in the plot holes, let me state that by me trying to fill in the plot holes I am admitting the query doesn’t work and therefore sucks.<br /><br />First the human trafficking issues. American girls are kidnapped for sexual slavery, not on the scale that happens to girls in third world countries, but it happens. Think TAKEN but instead of Paris it happens in the US. In this story the girls are held on Dismal Key and moved to Cuba and then auctioned off.<br /><br />Becker’s sister was one of them. He’s pissed off. He doesn’t want the law involved. He wants to kill the human traffickers himself. But no one goes into the Ten Thousand Islands alone. You wind up tearing the hull of your boat on oyster bars or sandbars or some other nasty ass stuff. You need a local like Mcklusky’s grandfather who is a fishing guide. <br /><br />Mcklusky isn’t stable. He’s not meant to be. I am glad that part actually came through. Although once I start calling him George, he’s going to get more pissed off. He’s sixteen, horny, and his only piece of ass was just kidnapped. At sixteen I would have traversed a swamp, desert, and ocean for a piece of ass- It was harder to get girls to give it up back then. But really, he has issues. Too many to explain here that’s why I wrote a novel. After Becker and his grandpa leave him behind (Stupid Grandpa not taking his sixteen year-old grandson along to kill human traffickers) to find the human traffickers, Mcklusky decides he needs the help of his drug running cousin to find his girlfriend and the human traffickers (I’m going for the record again). His cousin doesn’t like the law either or human traffickers. <br /><br />As far as the serial killer working with the human traffickers, the book does explain why he does what he does- mommy issues and all. But admittedly I am giving serious thought on how I can change this character now. <br />In all seriousness EE, minions, and anyone else, thank you for pointing out the flaws. I have blurred over this query a many times. My only regret is that I couldn’t break the record for using the term human trafficking or some variation of it. Keep the comments coming.Mitchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05948283872164408322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post-57187465080671306092011-04-20T18:42:41.319-04:002011-04-20T18:42:41.319-04:00"Once the traffickers know who Mcklusky is, h..."Once the traffickers know who Mcklusky is, his failure to kill them will cause the death of everyone he loves."<br />Okay, so my first reading of that was: Mcklusky fails to kill the traffickers, so they kill everyone he loves (presumably girlfriend and Gramps, possibly parents if they're local too).<br />Is it possible that I'm supposed to read it as: If Mcklusky fails to kill all the traffickers, they will go on to kill everyone he loves, presumably after killing him? So he has to kill every one of them. With a knife. <br />It may well be marketable, since Hunger Games has as brutal a premise, but I think the author needs to clarify what's actually happening and why.batgirlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15143310557906978680noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post-30456679997586665682011-04-20T18:38:05.320-04:002011-04-20T18:38:05.320-04:00A Cuban pretty much can't be in the US illegal...A Cuban pretty much can't be in the US illegally, because of the Wet Foot Dry Foot policy.<br /><br />In fact, if you ever find yourself in the US illegally, claiming to be Cuban would be a good gambit to try.<br /><br />Anyway, the illegal alien thing isn't nearly enough to explain not calling the cops. Deported vs. raped and murdered is an easy call.<br /><br />I think it works better if they're all wanted for smuggling illegal hatpins or something.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post-37396770346624993922011-04-20T17:57:20.309-04:002011-04-20T17:57:20.309-04:00There's no reason not to use brand names in yo...There's no reason not to use brand names in your fiction. Just remember to capitalise them.<br /><br />There need to be reasons not to call in the cops. Even if they're flimsy, not very convincing reasons.<br /><br />Also, Rambo was not a very believable human being, either.nonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00415222406280230021noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post-78773605893914969752011-04-20T17:17:27.165-04:002011-04-20T17:17:27.165-04:00According to the query, he doesn't ever save t...According to the query, he doesn't ever save the girl or anybody else. He just pisses the criminals off, and inspires them to massacre the rest of his significant others. Hard to sell a plot like that.<br /><br />Maybe it's a lesson about why youth should call 911 or get an AK-47 instead of chasing thugs through a maze of mangled mangroves armed with a mere knife.<br /><br />Maybe the query leaves big critical plot elements out.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post-34360419669380989412011-04-20T16:34:24.758-04:002011-04-20T16:34:24.758-04:00The first sentence left me thinking that your MC i...The first sentence left me thinking that your MC is a stranger, just in Florida for his summer vacation. Took me a few reading to realize he's a local boy. You should make that clearer because it's hard to imagine a tourist being able to track anything through a swamp. <br /><br />The KA-BAR knife - possibly a detail best left out. Even if I knew what a KA-BAR knife was, it sounds a little too "Boy's Own Adventure Stories" to be taken seriously. Plus, if KA-BAR is a brand name, there might be legalities involved.<br /><br />Speaking of "Boy's Own Adventure", this plot does remind me more of the 1940s and 1950s than the 2010s. I think that's because the plot seems to turn on having no police force (or a corrupt one) and being physically isolated from any ouside help. <br /><br />It reminds me of the movie "Key Largo" (similar setting, Bogie tangling with gansters all on his own) but even at the time the plot only worked because they were isolated by a tremendous storm. Nowadays with digital cameras and the Internet, you can so easily get your message out to everyone in the world, and it seems you'll get a lot more help than Gramps and the ex-CIA guy.<br /><br />And what help are those two, anyway? They seem to turn on the teenager at some point and say "Well, we're going after the traffickers, why don't you tackle the serial killer and save your girlfriend." If that's not what happens, again, you need to clarify.Adelehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08790958029798438793noreply@blogger.com