tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post5441248685593550602..comments2024-03-26T18:28:06.391-04:00Comments on Evil Editor: New Beginning 611Evil Editorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03879826770199639420noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post-64187642280213367192009-03-05T09:43:00.000-05:002009-03-05T09:43:00.000-05:00Only a handful of people will ever see the vast No...Only a handful of people will ever see the vast Northern Slope, but one of them made pictures available on the internet. Man, you can't get away with anything these days.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post-78754161737079433252009-03-04T20:40:00.000-05:002009-03-04T20:40:00.000-05:00Sarah, -- -- a detail, Go to Google and look up pi...Sarah, -- -- a detail, <BR/>Go to Google and look up pictures of the North Slope of Alaska and the Brooks Range (the nearest mountains). And look up Barrow Alaska and Prudhoe Bay. I think that's where your plane is flying. The Alaskan North slope leading to the Arctic Sea. Barrow is technically a desert. It doesn't rain/snow/sleet/drizzle/precipitate enough for it to be anything else. The North Slope is mostly tundra well known for caribou, migratory birds and not much else. Prudhoe Bay is an armpit that has 5 full-time residents and a few thousand transient workers. <BR/><BR/>Paragraph four is fine but those aren't the words I see reflected in the pictures. They might be more suited to central and southern Alaska, possibly Mt McKinley and Denali or possibly a Canadian territory. <BR/><BR/>This won't change much in your story because you can find Alaska or Canada that looks exactly like paragraph four, but it might mean changing the name to something else. I mean, one disgustingly cold paradise (uh wilderness?) is pretty much the same as the next one. <BR/><BR/>Like I said this is just a detail and if I hadn't seen pictures from coworkers, I might not have read paragraph four and wondered about it.Dave Fragmentshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17985158361431606939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post-10818169944965842132009-03-04T15:09:00.000-05:002009-03-04T15:09:00.000-05:00Anonymous: I'm sorry if I upset you by saying I've...Anonymous: I'm sorry if I upset you by saying I've not seen Esquire used for a woman. The usage in the UK is radically different from in the US and I didn't know that.fairyhedgehoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14141089706966852951noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post-2139479342506602782009-03-04T14:57:00.000-05:002009-03-04T14:57:00.000-05:00Apology accepted. I was commenting late at night a...Apology accepted. I was commenting late at night and I should have prefaced it all with conditionals.Dave Fragmentshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17985158361431606939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post-68330947132553784442009-03-04T12:38:00.000-05:002009-03-04T12:38:00.000-05:00Dave, I'm sorry. My response was so rude that it ...Dave, I'm sorry. My response was so rude that it startles me to re read it. I think I got irked reading the comments that a woman shouldn't be referred to as esq. and then went from there. But you were trying to be helpful and I certainly could have responded in a more civil way. Please accept my most sincere apology.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post-6392390929195680302009-03-04T12:35:00.000-05:002009-03-04T12:35:00.000-05:00Thought: What if you started with the second parag...Thought: What if you started with the second paragraph? Drop in an Alaska and replace plane with Cessna, and add the nine hours in the second graph (left Chicago nine hours ago) and you still have all the info and it helps one of the POV shifts.<BR/><BR/>Question: "The pilot obligingly banked as she squinted out into the June sunshine." – not clear to me whether it's the pilot or Anna who's squinting.<BR/><BR/>Nitpicks: Are there really many fields in Alaska? "pristine fields stretched out" jarred with me because I thought of farming fields first off, not snowfields. And then I couldn't understand how there could be both bright grass and snow at the same time – if the grass is in the valley and the snow on the mountains is "alternating" the right word.<BR/><BR/>I really like the idea of this setting for a fantasy though. Good luck!<BR/><BR/>P.S. The continuation is brilliant :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post-90441862436050853882009-03-04T10:55:00.000-05:002009-03-04T10:55:00.000-05:00Sorry, but that was my impressions of the legal wo...Sorry, but that was my impressions of the legal world. I didn't mean it to come across so authoritatively.Dave Fragmentshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17985158361431606939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post-16500259677382937432009-03-04T10:22:00.000-05:002009-03-04T10:22:00.000-05:00Dave, WTF? I am a lawyer. Everyone, men and wome...Dave, WTF? I am a lawyer. Everyone, men and women, signs letters blank blank, esq. Even corprate lawyers. It has nothing to do with whether you go to court. It means a lawyer is signing, not a paralegal or someone else. <BR/><BR/><BR/>An attorney appears in court? A lawyer reads contracts?? Again, WTF??? I practice corporate law and am referred to buy others and myself as an attorney.<BR/><BR/>To argue before SCOTUS, yes, you have to be admitted to the Bar of the Supreme Court (which is not hard to do--any lawyer can seek such admission), same with federal courts, but this has nothing to do with calling yourself an attorney or a lawyer!!<BR/><BR/>Not sure why you speak so authoritatively about that which you are plainly wrong.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post-25225354215342820662009-03-04T01:03:00.000-05:002009-03-04T01:03:00.000-05:00When a lawyer uses esquire, it sometimes indicates...When a lawyer uses esquire, it sometimes indicates that he appears in court before a judge for trial as opposed to a corporate, business or probate, or contract lawyer. <BR/><BR/>The words "attorney at law" also carry the same distinction. An attorney appears in court and a lawyer reads and approves contracts, etc... The Brits have barristers. <BR/><BR/>These are not idle distinctions. Only certain lawyers may argue before the Supreme Court of the USA. Anyone may petition the Supreme Court, but the court restricts who may argue the cases. In my experience when I had to act as executor for a relative and simultaneously run a business into bankruptcy, I used two lawyers because one did probate and the other did bankruptcy and I was well served by both.Dave Fragmentshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17985158361431606939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post-88356983593174318942009-03-03T21:09:00.000-05:002009-03-03T21:09:00.000-05:00Yep - I know some attorneys that go by Blank Blank...Yep - I know some attorneys that go by Blank Blank, Esquire.<BR/><BR/>I felt held at arm's length here, and at the same time, given too much info-dump information. I'm never against description or lack of action in an opening, as long as what is given is helping me know, helping me 'get' the characters, but it just seemed too pat here.<BR/><BR/>Is there a way to skip these paragraphs and move to the next scene as your beginning? If there's gonna be plane trouble, for instance, maybe start with the descent?<BR/><BR/>That continuation was a hoot, anon.Robin B.https://www.blogger.com/profile/11471528485010071521noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post-69144327320929343492009-03-03T18:04:00.000-05:002009-03-03T18:04:00.000-05:00It's definitely the kind of short story beginning ...It's definitely the kind of short story beginning that would keep me reading, especially if it's in a fantasy magazine. Adjectives and all. ;-)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post-11952201988465642582009-03-03T14:42:00.000-05:002009-03-03T14:42:00.000-05:00Thank you all so much for great continuations and ...Thank you all so much for great continuations and feedback! <BR/><BR/>EE, you're dead on about the POV issues; this switches back and forth between omniscient and third person. I knew something wasn't working technically, I just couldn't put my finger on what it was.<BR/><BR/>Just for the record this is actually contemporary fantasy (rural fantasy?), not a survival story. And it's a short story so I am, alas, cramming in a most undignified fashion. I will attempt to correct.<BR/><BR/>Anyway, time to go *sniff* cut some of my beloved adjectives.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post-57039816773493931872009-03-03T14:17:00.000-05:002009-03-03T14:17:00.000-05:00Personally, when I read "Nathan's father" I immedi...Personally, when I read "Nathan's father" I immediately assumed both the Krakowski parents were on their second marriages. Paul isn't Anna's father at all. And that's also why Kathy is a Miller-Krakowski, instead of just a Krakowski (she wants to make it easy to ditch "Krakowski" for marriage number 3).<BR/><BR/>I look forward to seeing this blended family struggling to survive in the wilderness, and tearing each other apart in their inevitable decline into savagery. If only Kathy had gone with her heart and become a forest ranger instead of a lawyer. She might have had some useful skills!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post-62219262871465094482009-03-03T13:55:00.000-05:002009-03-03T13:55:00.000-05:00I think the author is trying too hard to get too m...I think the author is trying too hard to get too much into the opening. <BR/><BR/>It's moving day and kids of a certain age are going to be even more sullen lumps of discontent than they are usually. That's a tried and true meme that makes this an inviting place for an info dump. It's kinda ho-hum. Perhaps it young master Nathan had ripped the head of a chicken and was cursing the ground will spilling its blood on the snow below the plane (Curse this forsaken and bleak landscape that I have to tolerate because I am unloved by my mean parents) I might take notice. <BR/><BR/>Wweeeelllllll, maybe not quite that act of rebellion. The pilot might object to non-Colonel Sanders chicken. <BR/><BR/>And "immaculate vista" Wow, that's so true. I knew the project manager of the HEALY Clean Coal Project in Alaska (next to the Denali National Park and Mount McKinley... Everything about Alaska was breathtakingly beautiful (if you like snow. I don't) and if you like wilderness (I heart NYC) and blinding white vista, and climbing Mt McKinley (I'll take the car, thank you). One visit and people held the meetings down here where it's warm, not icy and generally cruddy. It was like big deal the first time -- it's pretty, it's cold, it's icy, it's got nothing as far as the eye can see (immaculate vistas) and I knew the people who did the Environmental Impact down to single molecules of pollutants wandering into the Denali National Park. When you get that intimate with a power plant and a national park, it spoils the immaculate vista. <BR/><BR/>Perhaps the father could say --- "Look children, there's our new home, that tiny speck of a cabin. They say it's up to zero today, That's warm It was minus 40 yesterday." And then the kids can be bratty and object to chopping firewood. Or the polit of the plane and his wife could share a set of teeth because they only have one dentist in town (lucky they have one).<BR/><BR/>Or perhaps Nathan could dream all this silliness as the plane approaches. Nathan sees carnivorous bears, snarling wolves, frozen outhouses that explode on the on the hottest day of the year, avalanches revealing gold, a middle-aged MILF with an AK47 saving him --- yanno, wild imaginings. I like that Nathan. The surly lump of teen discontent needs a boot in the buttocks.Dave Fragmentshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17985158361431606939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post-747334843918275372009-03-03T13:48:00.000-05:002009-03-03T13:48:00.000-05:00Nathan appears only in the first sentence of parag...Nathan appears only in the first sentence of paragraph 3, so the piece isn't focused on him at all. That doesn't mean we can't be told the story through his eyes, ears, and thoughts, but if that's the case we should only be told what he actually sees, hears and thinks.<BR/><BR/>As this narrator does have a wider view, the only question is why he refers to Paul as "Nathan's" father. We haven't met Nathan yet, so I contend the narrator would introduce Paul in some other way, either by name or as Nathan and Anna's father, thus letting us know both children's names at once.<BR/><BR/>I also contend that the images are just as vivid if we aren't told that the snow is white, the grass is green, and the Alaskan sea is icy. The reader assumes those things without having to be babied along by the author.Evil Editorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03879826770199639420noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post-16868337189666738632009-03-03T13:36:00.000-05:002009-03-03T13:36:00.000-05:00Huh, and I always thought Esquire was what pompous...Huh, and I always thought Esquire was what pompous nouveau-riche landowners put after their names, pretending to be English gentry. <BR/>I learned something today! I can go back to bed now. <BR/><BR/>I'm probably not the audience for this, because while I love survival narratives (this is required of all Canadian readers), I'm not keen on squabbling families. <BR/>The opening is competent, could be pared down without losing coherency, and perhaps sets the family up a bit too clearly for disaster and learning important lessons.batgirlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15143310557906978680noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post-74157386331026450982009-03-03T13:15:00.000-05:002009-03-03T13:15:00.000-05:00I liked this opening and would keep reading. I'd l...I liked this opening and would keep reading. I'd like to know what these professkals are dong out in the wilderness, or why a wilderness-lover took up a medical practice in Chicago in the first palce. I'd like to see how the kids grpow up (I hope they do...)<BR/><BR/> I don't always understand the importance of the POV rules... I took it that the narrator was focused on nathan but had a wider field of vision that Nathan had, which is OK by me. <BR/><BR/> I'd cut the 4th para to "Beyond the tiny cluster of brown and gray buildings tucked into the shallow valley below, miles of blinding white snowfields alternated with bright green grass all the way out to the distant, icy sea..." I found those visual images vivid, clear an dappealing; the 'pristine' and 'immaculate' parts felt more clichéd.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post-14004616831118750622009-03-03T13:04:00.000-05:002009-03-03T13:04:00.000-05:00I've not seen Esquire used for a woman before. Is ...I've not seen Esquire used for a woman before. Is that normal US usage?fairyhedgehoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14141089706966852951noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post-64721699780908675952009-03-03T12:42:00.000-05:002009-03-03T12:42:00.000-05:00Hm. I assumed that "Esquire" was Esquire Magazine....Hm. I assumed that "Esquire" was Esquire Magazine...?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post-19940410805835909652009-03-03T09:45:00.000-05:002009-03-03T09:45:00.000-05:00The 4th paragraph has too many adjectives. A dozen...The 4th paragraph has too many adjectives. A dozen adjectives in two sentences is overdoing it. Delete all but three of them.<BR/><BR/>If it's an omniscient narrator, he wouldn't say "Except for Nathan's father," rather than "Except for Nathan and Anna's father," or "Except for Doctor Krakowski."<BR/><BR/>Only Nathan would think that. But if this is the POV of Nathan, he wouldn't be able to describe the scenery, which he ignores, and he wouldn't refer to his parents as Doctor Paul Krakowski and Kathy Miller-Krakowski, Esquire. <BR/><BR/>I don't like referring to the parents that way the first time we meet them, no matter what the POV. It's force-feeding us information.Evil Editorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03879826770199639420noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post-77887572143089931902009-03-03T09:13:00.000-05:002009-03-03T09:13:00.000-05:00Unchosen Continuations:And that subtle touch was a...Unchosen Continuations:<BR/><BR/><BR/>And that subtle touch was all it took.<BR/>Nathan threw up. <BR/><BR/>--Bevie<BR/> <BR/><BR/>"Well, I've just done reading an entire year's book reviews," she said. "And if I'm right, we've an 87% chance of ditching in the middle of nowhere. Your dad's probably gonna break both legs, and we'll have to drag his sorry ass back to civilization." She folded the papers and slipped them back into her briefcase just as the plane hit a patch of turbulence. "On the plus side," she went on, "after four or five days in the wilderness, we get to eat your sister."<BR/> <BR/>--anon.<BR/><BR/> <BR/>"Okay, Nathan," she said firmly. "I know you'd rather forget schoolwork, but if you don't crash the plane now, you'll miss your chance to re-create Gary Paulsen's <I>Hatchet</I>, and you'll fail the unit on Survival Motifs in North American Children's Literature." <BR/><BR/>--Batgirl<BR/> <BR/> <BR/>"Don't worry, son. I promise, if this little plane goes down in the wilderness, we'll eat her first." <BR/><BR/>--anon.Evil Editorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03879826770199639420noreply@blogger.com