tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post6403807556240615693..comments2024-03-26T18:28:06.391-04:00Comments on Evil Editor: New Beginning 668Evil Editorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03879826770199639420noreply@blogger.comBlogger28125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post-70153462221983904822009-08-05T22:24:47.386-04:002009-08-05T22:24:47.386-04:00Polly! I remember this. Hope things are going well...Polly! I remember this. Hope things are going well with it, I always wanted to read the whole thing.150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post-22401457920599054262009-08-02T23:37:06.554-04:002009-08-02T23:37:06.554-04:00The directions confuse us, as does her location.The directions confuse us, as does her location._*rachel*_https://www.blogger.com/profile/03293167107180931700noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post-87696723119742356252009-07-31T17:22:57.816-04:002009-07-31T17:22:57.816-04:00Oh, a tunnel! Cool :).Oh, a tunnel! Cool :).nonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00415222406280230021noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post-85856045798334056582009-07-31T16:05:05.348-04:002009-07-31T16:05:05.348-04:00Thanks, everyone.
P.S. She's in a tunnel. The...Thanks, everyone.<br /><br />P.S. She's in a tunnel. There's one under the building where I work. It runs right under a bank... but that's another story.Susan Hall-Baldufnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post-81401861507697038852009-07-31T12:11:29.535-04:002009-07-31T12:11:29.535-04:00Trenched = First World War to me as well. That'...Trenched = First World War to me as well. That'll do it.<br /><br />That contin. was extra good, by the way.Robin B.https://www.blogger.com/profile/11471528485010071521noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post-30729288821166327792009-07-31T09:51:33.572-04:002009-07-31T09:51:33.572-04:00I agree with Buffy - one reference to trenches was...I agree with Buffy - one reference to trenches was all it took for me; no need for any info-dumps about Gavrilo Princip in my opinion.Steve Wrighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09836762265698458170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post-80995325065945004922009-07-31T08:18:04.678-04:002009-07-31T08:18:04.678-04:00The reference to trenches gave me WWI immediately....The reference to trenches gave me WWI immediately. No worries there :).<br /><br />She could be looking for a staff member, or maybe a piece of equipment that's been borrowed by another ward, or perhaps a patient with a head injury who's wandered off.nonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00415222406280230021noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post-49816172785128617432009-07-30T22:21:50.267-04:002009-07-30T22:21:50.267-04:00How about this:
First day on her first nursing j...How about this:<br /><br /><i><br />First day on her first nursing job, and it was Prank the New Girl all over again. No doubt an orderly meant to jump out at her from a cupboard. Fine chance he’d find her now. She could have been at home in the Yorkshire Downs now, if only The Black Hand hadn't assassinated Archduke Franz Ferdinand.</i>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post-49984356786505849612009-07-30T20:50:33.842-04:002009-07-30T20:50:33.842-04:00Trench warfare is associated with mostly WW1 and n...Trench warfare is associated with mostly WW1 and not WW2. Apparently not strongly enough to work to place the year in your story. Why don't you use mustard gas because that is specifically a WW1 phenomena and it did but many soldiers in the hospital if it didn't outright kill them. Or pick one of the battles in 1917.Dave Fragmentshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17985158361431606939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post-12919418272503434132009-07-30T20:02:47.329-04:002009-07-30T20:02:47.329-04:00How can I communicate which war this is?
Ask the ...<i>How can I communicate which war this is?</i><br /><br />Ask the publisher to mention it on the back cover.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post-12798476838315187152009-07-30T19:06:12.861-04:002009-07-30T19:06:12.861-04:00EE, I bow to to your superior paragraph counting. ...EE, I bow to to your superior paragraph counting. Guess it's not quite as squashed together as I recalled! <br /><br />I'd sooner not start with a date -- as a reader I just skip right over dates, chapter headings, quotations and so on.<br /><br />(Also, since not everyone got that there is no such thing as a bedpan liner, anybody got another suggestion?)Susan Hall-Baldufnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post-74030421845827719212009-07-30T18:55:29.576-04:002009-07-30T18:55:29.576-04:00Trenches is in the third paragraph, so all is well...Trenches is in the third paragraph, so all is well. If it were in the second you could start the piece:<br /><br />London, 1917.Evil Editorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03879826770199639420noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post-13442239937553284572009-07-30T18:45:27.518-04:002009-07-30T18:45:27.518-04:00You guys crack me up! This is my favorite:
"...You guys crack me up! This is my favorite:<br /><br />"Polly imagined the floorplan of the hospital in her head. Where could she be? Groaning amputee behind her. She sniffed the air. Gangrene ahead. She was somewhere in D Wing, exactly where, she couldn’t picture.<br /><br />I sort of crammed this opening all together to get it into 150 words. But here is my principal question for you clever boots: How can I communicate which war this is? That's how trenches got into the second paragraph.Susan Hall-Baldufnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post-33190689215450336392009-07-30T14:01:05.548-04:002009-07-30T14:01:05.548-04:00OOOOPS...
I picked up the first line of the contin...OOOOPS...<br />I picked up the first line of the continuation as the author's last line. <br /><br />Sorry about that. It is logical that Polly finds the source of the moans. <br /><br />I stand by deleting the second paragraph switching the fourth and fifth. I think that makes a better opening, focuses the reader on Polly and gives her a mystery to solve.<br /><br />BTW - some of the confusion in the comments is that very few US buildings are built over tunnels, sewars and subway tunnels that you can walk through. All of that underground structure that exists in London and Paris, does not exist in the USA. This hospital is a building with multiple sublevels.Dave Fragmentshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17985158361431606939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post-51375216589741348112009-07-30T13:43:51.201-04:002009-07-30T13:43:51.201-04:00I think Polly is in a bombed out building. That wa...I think Polly is in a bombed out building. That way she could navigate through hallways while still smelling the scents of the outside.Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07681932402948885690noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post-81748490314151018222009-07-30T13:06:31.865-04:002009-07-30T13:06:31.865-04:00You might have a powerful story here along the lin...You might have a powerful story here along the lines of NOT SO QUIET by Helen Zenna Smith, but ditto on EE's comments and those of the minions.Weshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03077791761104576436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post-24009466494592066672009-07-30T12:02:39.110-04:002009-07-30T12:02:39.110-04:00I'm reading all these comments and I want to k...I'm reading all these comments and I want to know where Polly is. <br /><br />The second paragraph indicates she is outside. <br /><br />The 3rd paragraph I quickly imagined she was looking up at this huge building in the shadowed garden at night but others think she is a basement. <br /><br />If she is in a basement, shouldn't it have a light of some kind? Why would she be in the dark? No way am I going into a basement without a flashlight. They are always darker than outside where there is the moon and street lights. And, how is she smelling outside smells inside a basement? Shouldn't it be moldy, dusty, stinky? Really can she smell the Thames in a basement? <br /><br />wait - it says "great grounds". <br /><br />My vote is she is outside, looking for a bedpan liner - which is weird. <br /><br />I was not particularly interested in this opening until now - but now I want to know - Where in the Hell is Polly? It's a riddle!<br /><br />vkwAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post-70081201459593888822009-07-30T11:37:44.761-04:002009-07-30T11:37:44.761-04:00That continuation is so brilliant, I actually want...That continuation is so brilliant, I actually wanted to read on. <br /><br />Author -- what they said. Readers want to be oriented to the time & place of the story. This is like a geography puzzle which makes that difficult. We don't understand how she got to this building without knowing which part of London it was in, [blindfolded?] and why she is now trying to discern that via these clues. <br /><br />Instead of relying so much on the names of landmarks and the N S E W directions to describe where she's at, you might have better success giving more description of the place: tell us about the building or yard in terms of what she sees, hears, smells, and if it's important to know she doesn't know what part of London this is, just say so.<br /><br />Also it seems you are using some terms that belong to American English and are not used in British English, which works great if your protagonist is meant to be a recently arrived American abroad but not so well if she's supposed to be a long term resident of the old country.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post-83605221872438251742009-07-30T11:37:06.946-04:002009-07-30T11:37:06.946-04:00Hm. About all I can say is ditto. She's outsid...Hm. About all I can say is ditto. She's outside, no wait, she's in the basement of a building which is a pile of rubble but still has hallways.<br /><br />Very confusing but you do have gems tucked in here and there. I'd read on a bit more in hopes of it settling down and moving along.<br /><br />I do get the impression that she smells something that smells like the Thames and is confused herself about why she would smell it in the basement. Perhaps the groaning man just came from there - somehow...Sarah Laurensonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09252565450452195395noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post-48396637581482904522009-07-30T11:17:12.161-04:002009-07-30T11:17:12.161-04:00This had me thinking she was in the long-buried ho...This had me thinking she was in the long-buried hospital from Neil Gaiman's <i>Neverwhere</i>. That's probably why I liked it, but it's also probably not where she actually is.<br /><br />P2 sounds like she's outside. That's where I expect the Thames and a canal would be, and all her landmarks are overland ones. Then P3 drops her deep(?) underground either in the basement of a hospital or beneath an actual pile of rubble (I wasn't sure; though I suppose the wounded soldiers would be dead ones if it were rubble, plus it's a heck of a place to look for a bedpan liner).<br /><br />I don't mind the jumping back from the hook so long as you either get back to it quick or give me something else interesting so I forget about it. I'd read on, but if I'm still confused on page 2 or 3, I'm done.Adam Heinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02225813532455467868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post-36037921594102239732009-07-30T11:09:37.428-04:002009-07-30T11:09:37.428-04:00In your zeal to pack information into the opening,...In your zeal to pack information into the opening, you've made it confusing. <br /><br />You don't need to tell the reader this is in London quite this fast so drop that until later in the chapter. <br /><br />You have two mentions of the hospital and its grounds in 150 words. Too much. Drop the first mention in the second paragraph. Leave the mention in the thrid paragraph.<br /><br />The opening line is good but what follows? That's the question you have to ask yourself and think about. It's not that confusion about directions on a map. <br />What it is, is Polly's annoyance at being sent into the depths to find (of all things) a bedpan liner. (A right handed smoke deflector, a B flat sewar pipe flute, etc...)<br /><br />This could be a quick fix: <br />Keep the first sentence. <br />Drop the second paragraph. <br />Keep the third paragraph. <br />Move the fifth paragraph up. <br />Move the fourth paragraph after it. <br />Leave the sixth paragraph as the sixth paragraph. <br /><br />So you have: <br />She's lost. <br />She's lost in the mass of sub basement. <br />She hears a groan. <br />She thinks it's a joke. She's indignant.<br />She finds the man. <br /><br />Now are you really going to reveal he's a vampire this early in the novel?Dave Fragmentshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17985158361431606939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post-21329001834587174752009-07-30T10:12:38.245-04:002009-07-30T10:12:38.245-04:00Yeah, the opening line had me, then *poof*. You go...Yeah, the opening line had me, then *poof*. You got distracted, and so did I.Mamehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04853842158606222286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post-88288988269413581722009-07-30T09:30:43.863-04:002009-07-30T09:30:43.863-04:00I find it interesting that some readers are readin...I find it interesting that some readers are reading Polly is outside and some are reading she is inside. <br /><br />I think this needs to be clarified somehow. <br /><br />What's a bedpan liner? Really during WWI?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post-30430901510498444832009-07-30T09:24:16.579-04:002009-07-30T09:24:16.579-04:00I second the general sense of geographical confusi...I second the general sense of geographical confusion ... also, what's this railroad station thing? To the best of my knowledge, there are no railroad stations in London. Rail<i>way</i> stations, now, there are plenty of those ... and, since they're significant landmarks in a rather complicated city, Londoners tend to know them, and refer to them, by name.<br /><br />And I have no idea how she can smell either a river or a canal when she's in the basement of a hospital. The girl must have a nose like a bloodhound.Steve Wrighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09836762265698458170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post-46925464694246194272009-07-30T08:42:03.281-04:002009-07-30T08:42:03.281-04:00I suppose Wandsworth Convalescent Hospital doesn&#...I suppose Wandsworth Convalescent Hospital doesn't <i>have</i> to be in Wandsworth, but if it was, the City of London would be North-East of it. And the coast to the East is way closer than the coast to the south, so saying the railway station is nearer the south coast is kind of like saying Pittsburgh is closer to the Pacific than New York.<br /><br />If it's WW one, which the trenches suggest, would she really be thinking "<i>still</i> lit by gas lamps"?<br /><br />"Prank the New Girl" also feels a bit anachronistic to me.<br /><br />If an orderly was waiting in a cupboard to jump out, he wouldn't find her, he'd be waiting for her to "find" him.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com