tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post115638230284010005..comments2024-03-26T18:28:06.391-04:00Comments on Evil Editor: Old Beginnings 6Evil Editorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03879826770199639420noreply@blogger.comBlogger29125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post-1157048574647177832006-08-31T14:22:00.000-04:002006-08-31T14:22:00.000-04:00I'd check out the beginning of the second chapter ...I'd check out the beginning of the second chapter of #5 - there's a good chance it's part of a set and the whole first chapter is going to be infodump in case you didn't read the others. The rest of the book could be fine. It's like picking up #4 in a mystery series, the whole first chapter is "the friend she made investigating the case of the missing clock..."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post-1156478578518717342006-08-25T00:02:00.000-04:002006-08-25T00:02:00.000-04:00I do read the occasional romance, but most of thes...I do read the occasional romance, but most of these didn't appeal to me. The subject matter in #1 was such a turn off that I can't really evaluate the writing. But I like that the reader knows immediately what's in store, so they can close the book cover or keep reading).<BR/>#2 - My eyes glazed over with the first sentence.<BR/>#3 got interesting when she slammed the door in his face. My favorite of the five, the only one I wanted to keep reading.<BR/>#4 was an interesting situation but the writing style didn't appeal (overblown).<BR/>#5 Too much backstory, made me yawn.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post-1156476811197494402006-08-24T23:33:00.000-04:002006-08-24T23:33:00.000-04:00They were all klutzy and unpromising. There was a...They were all klutzy and unpromising. There was a time when I consumed a lot of Regencies, and I might have read #5 then, but not without inward griping.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post-1156473607698417322006-08-24T22:40:00.000-04:002006-08-24T22:40:00.000-04:001. Ugh, no. Not my cup. It reads like bad fanf...1. Ugh, no. Not my cup. It reads like bad fanfic.<BR/><BR/>2. I thought it was well written, but not what I want to read.<BR/><BR/>3. Well, yes, but I recognized this book, I've read it two or three times. When I originally read it back when it was first issued in 1994, I probably bought it because of the back cover blurb. I've since then read and re-read all of the author's other books many many times. <BR/><BR/>4. Cute, but a little over the top. I probably wouldn't read further.<BR/><BR/>5. I'd read more. I'd probably read the first chapter or two in the bookstore before deciding to buy it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post-1156465119104281482006-08-24T20:18:00.000-04:002006-08-24T20:18:00.000-04:00I don't often read romance, so none of these was f...I don't often read romance, so none of these was familiar to me.<BR/><BR/>1. Ugh. No. And I kept waiting for the part about the mosquitoes eating her alive. <BR/><BR/>2. First paragraph is iffy--no name, and there's a step out of POV with that remark about the dark T-shirt. When we do get the name (and why not use it up front instead of waiting?), it's a bad choice for a Western, IMO. But after that, it's not bad and I'd read on.<BR/><BR/>3. I hate the names--can't explain why, I just do--but otherwise this is breezy and promises some humor. I'd keep reading.<BR/><BR/>4. Overwrought, melodramatic. Beginning with a character in a state of anger or fear or grief almost never works. I don't know enough about the character to feel anything but distaste.<BR/><BR/>5. Too much backstory. And it's boring.<BR/><BR/>EE, I hope you will consider doing some "Old Beginnnings" from sf/fantasy at some point.Bethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08504439129670380071noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post-1156464807207245932006-08-24T20:13:00.000-04:002006-08-24T20:13:00.000-04:001. No. I don't get why she is interested in sensua...1. No. I don't get why she is interested in sensual stimulations while chained to a wall in fear for her life (I'm assuming that its fear not multiple orgasms that's making her want to scream). Not realistic.<BR/><BR/>2. No. I think that the start is clumsy. Is 'he' Clint? Or somebody else? I don't trust the writer now.<BR/><BR/>3. No. I don't care what their surnames are and although I'm a fan of long sentences that first one is just garbled. Some cliches too. No thanks.<BR/><BR/>4. No. I don't care about the break up, because I don't know who they are. Surnames again. She needs to take a break to breathe or something between curses and pain. Dialogue is unconvincing. (The scenario reminds me of a minion's start via a dumping phone call, though - so maybe the minion was on to a good thing - this is obviously publishable). <BR/><BR/>5. No. The first two paragraphs are excellent. The breathless back story turns me off. It could have been revealed more gradually.<BR/><BR/>That was interesting - this is the first time that I've said 'no' to every single one. I guess that the conventions acceptable in romance area are not acceptable to me as a reader.McKoalahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01457446171624585099noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post-1156463970340293102006-08-24T19:59:00.000-04:002006-08-24T19:59:00.000-04:00Commenting again without reading others (or checki...Commenting again without reading others (or checking who wrote these yet). And I am one of those who don't read romances typically, so for a fresh look.<BR/><BR/>1. Hated it. Can't stand the thought of a naked woman chained for hours as being anything like romance. I don't believe she'd be noticing the orange-scented blossoms or the skittering lizards.<BR/>Noted interesting vocabulary-"skirled" especially.<BR/><BR/>2. Wow. This sounded like a thriller or murder mystery. At least this tied up woman is pissed off. Noted phrasing- "obsidian eyes." Very nice.<BR/><BR/>3. This is okay, but who cares? So far I see a woman in sweats and a honey-tongued ex at the door begging to come back. Sorry, get this in my work (as a divorce lawyer). Not romantic. Wouldn't keep reading.<BR/><BR/>4. Sounds like something I read recently from or about one of Kristin Nelson's authors. Break up by fed-ex-a little interesting. Noted word-sycophantic. Maybe I'd keep reading.<BR/><BR/>5. London 1807. Loved it. A jilted guy who is suffering from gossip in a historic setting. Talk of betrothal balls. This stuff appeals to me, even if the genre is romance!<BR/><BR/>EE, I had hoped for Jane Austen, the original (English) romance writer. Oh well. Of to check who wrote these.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post-1156455943095124172006-08-24T17:45:00.000-04:002006-08-24T17:45:00.000-04:00#1 Um, no. Lovely descriptions of the scenery, bu...#1 Um, no. Lovely descriptions of the scenery, but the whole woman in chains thing? Ick.<BR/><BR/>#2 OK, I'd bite. Maybe.<BR/><BR/>#3 Dunno. I might, depending on the mood.<BR/><BR/>#4 (Rolls eyes) See, this is why romances get a bad name. Unbelievable set up, letter and dialog. And she growls her lines. TWICE. Meh.<BR/><BR/>#5 Used to like Regencies. I might read this one just for the nostalgia.Gerbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13073463561640650913noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post-1156451631582537162006-08-24T16:33:00.000-04:002006-08-24T16:33:00.000-04:00I read #2 and #4 and probably #3 sometime since Sp...I read #2 and #4 and probably #3 sometime since Spring. Since I can recall very little about them, the books themselves didn't stand out for me. The beginnings were what got me to buy them, though. <BR/><BR/>#1, I would stuff this one back on the shelf unread. Lots of details, and, as keeps being mentioned, nothing happens. All I can think about reading this is <I>where are all the mosquitos?</I> In this situation she should be tortured by mosquitos, even if she isn't bothered by being tied up naked in the great outdoors for hours.<BR/><BR/>#3 Humorous. I'd read on to find out why she's slamming the door in the face of someone who flattered her. <BR/><BR/>#5 I love Regencies, especially Georgette Heyer. However this one I'd rather light on fire than read. First of all, the language is stilted and sounds to be someone's idea of how a hoity-toity Duke would speak. It sounds fake. Second, the horrible, horrible info dump! My eyes are bleeding! <BR/><BR/>If the story begins slowly instead of in the middle of the action - and this isn't unusual for romances - I prefer to be seduced into it by a verbal trail of bread crumbs until I'm hooked.writtenwyrddhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02280711822302493122noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post-1156448459815924592006-08-24T15:40:00.000-04:002006-08-24T15:40:00.000-04:00Number 3 works for me--and I recognized the author...Number 3 works for me--and I recognized the author right off. No one--absolutely no one--writes dialogue with the wit and wisdom of this writer.<BR/><BR/>She's hugely popular and deserves to be.<BR/><BR/>I also like #5. I guess I'm a sucker for Dukes.<BR/><BR/>Numbers 1, 2, & 4 pushed too hard. I know openings are supposed to grab--but I prefer it not to be by the throatAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post-1156448174814824122006-08-24T15:36:00.000-04:002006-08-24T15:36:00.000-04:00Sounds like EE has some pretty racy things on his ...Sounds like EE has some pretty racy things on his bookshelf at home.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post-1156447954184136942006-08-24T15:32:00.000-04:002006-08-24T15:32:00.000-04:00#1: It took me a minute to realize this was erotic...#1: It took me a minute to realize this was erotic, and that this woman isn't just being stoic in a bad situation--which I would have found more interesting. I would read on, at least until the point where the first-pages-polish is gone (a lamentable condition plaquing many, many books these days).<BR/><BR/>#2: Clint, Red and Mojo? The next few pages had better be stunningly good if they're gonna distract me from those unfortunate monikers.<BR/><BR/>#3: The name initially threw me. The whole Dick Tracy Trueheart/Newheart thing. But I really like her already. It's neat the way the thing that precipitates the door-slam is a smiling compliment. This guy must be a piece of work.<BR/><BR/>#4: Bride McTierney? OK, so I can get past that. I can even get past my incredulity that there are guys out there who pull crap like this. But the dialogue is unconvincing. Change "filthy snake" to "shit-eating fuck-wad" and I'd read on.<BR/><BR/>#5: A brazen, unprincipled woman? You just know the duke and Charlotte are going to end up in bed. But hell, unless the writing totally tanks, I'd read it. Got a soft spot for this genre.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post-1156445287019235272006-08-24T14:48:00.000-04:002006-08-24T14:48:00.000-04:00JTC, you make me blush! There's a lot of writers h...JTC, you make me blush! There's a lot of writers here--I'm sure most if not all of them could write me under the table.<BR/><BR/>Not that the compliment didn't make my day. :-)Staciahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07969399927758009095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post-1156445061288435192006-08-24T14:44:00.000-04:002006-08-24T14:44:00.000-04:001. Yes!2. No.3. Yes.4. Maybe, if I really liked th...1. Yes!<BR/><BR/>2. No.<BR/><BR/>3. Yes.<BR/><BR/>4. Maybe, if I really liked the blurb. The opening didn't grab me but I didn't hate it either.<BR/><BR/>5. Probably, but again I'm checking the blurb.Staciahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07969399927758009095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post-1156444395388854802006-08-24T14:33:00.000-04:002006-08-24T14:33:00.000-04:00#5 is the only one I would keep reading.#5 is the only one I would keep reading.Kathleenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00923975835078747456noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post-1156444094549379892006-08-24T14:28:00.000-04:002006-08-24T14:28:00.000-04:00I'd read 'em all.I'd read 'em all.Bernitahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05264585685253812090noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post-1156440060915236502006-08-24T13:21:00.000-04:002006-08-24T13:21:00.000-04:00I am unfamiliar with most romance writers, but I d...I am unfamiliar with most romance writers, but I did enjoy these snippets.<BR/><BR/>#1 I see a thriller in the making here - I'd be looking for a bang-up rescue of some sort. I like the descriptions, but I do think Saralee has a point about the mosquitoes. And chaining someone naked to a stucco wall and then leaving them - presumably untouched - just sounds hinky.<BR/><BR/>#2 I like this - I want to know how they are going to do the rescue here. It sounds hot and dirty and like there's going to be a real shoot-em-up and a brassy dame involved. <BR/><BR/>#3 I am lukewarm on this - I don't understand what's going on and the characters just aren't compelling to me. I would put this one down unread.<BR/><BR/>#4 LOL! I like the business Fed Ex account part - but the break up sounds unnatural to me, forced, a contrivance to get the story started. I don't think I'd read on.<BR/><BR/>#5 This sounds like fun - a duke, jilted! A costume drama, with maybe some political intrigue? (Mention of Paliament - maybe a dust up in the House of Lords?) I'd read on out of curiosity!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post-1156438646823757322006-08-24T12:57:00.000-04:002006-08-24T12:57:00.000-04:001. Ick. She's chained up naked but enjoying the sc...1. Ick. She's chained up naked but enjoying the scenery and the little tickling sensation of her hair. I can tell that this writer thinks a bunch o' stuff that I find offensive is titallating. Not my cup of tea, and I'd close the book, but it's only an issue of personal taste.<BR/><BR/>2. This shows some promise, some nice tension and a promise of action, but it didn't read well immediately after the beginning before it. Another woman tied up; hmm. Well, at least this one's mad.<BR/><BR/>3. This is intriguing. I want to read on to find out what suspicions have been confirmed.<BR/><BR/>4. I thought this one quite good, up until the last sentence. That overwrought flash of malice killed my sympathy for Bride pretty effectively.<BR/><BR/>5. I'm curious, but only mildly so. Is this guy going to do something, or just whine about everyone gossiping behind his back?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post-1156438095362406882006-08-24T12:48:00.000-04:002006-08-24T12:48:00.000-04:00Maybe this isn’t the place to admit this but I des...Maybe this isn’t the place to admit this but I despise romance novels. I mean just gag me with a spoon, dear and remove any activity from my brain. My chest heaves, my heart palpates and my manhood just shrinks like a deflating balloon (with the funky noises) and hides at the thought of all that lust crammed between the pages of any book. But, but, but, <BR/><BR/><BR/>#1 Stopped at the chains. I would continue only if this were a voodoo zombie novel or a Cthlulu gothic pile of nuttiness but not a replay of Justine by DeSade. Whips and chains give me the giggles and my giggles aren’t romantic. <BR/><BR/>#2 A western, I hope. I might read to the end of the first chapter. I have this thing about westerns – horses and dust and desserts and cactus all right now. Somehow I can read heaving bosoms and pulsing man tools and all that dialog in a western and not get the giggles. <BR/><BR/>#3 Tess Truehart, uh sorry Newhart – Sorry, Sorry, Sorry, that ended that, right there. Unless you have massive and sarcastic fun with the name Tess Newhart – I ain’t reading anymore. I read Marjorie Morningstar as a teen and I still carry the scars. <BR/><BR/>#4 – I should have broken up with my third ex-wife this way – I must make a note of how practical FEDEX can be. <BR/><BR/>#5 – A historical romance, Ah Dudley, unhook my corset, oh Wesley sneak a peek below my petticoat, Heathcliffe, I Cannot love you anymore, your stiff upper lip has sagged into puffy, pouty amorosity or amourousness, <BR/> … ARGH - - I’ll settle for a good murder mystery. <BR/><BR/><BR/>Thanks y’all - I’ve had fun with these today. <BR/>And finally, I haven’t read the titles yet or the comments.Dave Fragmentshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17985158361431606939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post-1156432414914776232006-08-24T11:13:00.000-04:002006-08-24T11:13:00.000-04:00#1 is sending me unpleasantly mixed signals. I cou...#1 is sending me unpleasantly mixed signals. I could be interested if she's into BDSM and has gotten herself into this situation in order to enjoy it. I could, reluctantly, be interested if she's in trouble. But splitting the difference just doesn't work for me (the contrast between her long dark hair tickling her waist sensuously and her thoughts about how useless it would be to scream). I am left with the suspicion that this is going to be about bad things happening to her <I> for the reader's titillation</I>, an effect I loathe.<BR/><BR/>I would keep reading #2, though at the moment I mainly want to sic its characters on the situation in #1. (This must happen to editors too--adjacent entries in the slushpile which seem to interact with each other.) The names are almost ludicrously macho, though.<BR/><BR/>If I'd picked up #3 I'd keep reading; it moves along nicely.<BR/><BR/>#4 is overblown to me. Even though I'm sure people like her ex-boyfriend exist, I'm failing to believe in him. My emotional reaction is more like "I'm being bludgeoned to sympathize with her, but I don't wanna." This could be rescued by writing style but in this excerpt, for me, it isn't.<BR/><BR/>#5 would be the most likely for me to pick up, but that's probably more a reaction to genre than writing. It's rather a lump of backstory, though the details of how people avoid his eyes are well-drawn.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post-1156434414138611112006-08-24T11:46:00.000-04:002006-08-24T11:46:00.000-04:001. No. I am no fan of novels about how women enj...1. No. I am no fan of novels about how women enjoy abuse, which is what this looks like. She's been chained up for hours and she's relaxing and admiring the scenery. Riiiiiiiight.<BR/><BR/>(And she's only now thinking about why it's pointless screaming? What was she doing for all the preceding hours? Her nails?)<BR/><BR/>2. No. Who is "he" in the first paragraph? Clint? Someone else? Opening with careless confusion like that gives me no confidence in the writing. Sorry. Also, obsidian eyes? Yeuch.<BR/><BR/>3. I might. It's fun. I like the way she repays his trite compliment by slamming the door in his face. We get a sense that there's a history between these two.<BR/><BR/>4. Don't think I would. The letter doesn't ring true, and Bride seems more upset at having to pay for it than at its slighting, insulting tone. Doesn't convince me that we have believable characters here.<BR/><BR/>5. I might, if I was in a brain candy mood. I read Georgette Heyer sometimes cos it's so undemanding. Again, though, I don't have much confidence in the writing. We get told the guy is a duke twice in a very short space of time, as if we have no memory to speak of, and surely it wasn't only "his" betrothal ball? If that is typical of his attitude, no wonder the bride-to-be decamped. The info-dump approach to backstory is clunky, too.nonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00415222406280230021noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post-1156433584693678482006-08-24T11:33:00.000-04:002006-08-24T11:33:00.000-04:00I guess #3 is the only one I really believe. I'd r...I guess #3 is the only one I really believe. I'd read more of that one. And maybe #2. But in all the other openings, the characters don't behave like real people. <BR/><BR/>1. Bah. A Florida night without mosquitos? Now there's a fantasy. <BR/><BR/>2. This one suffers from being right next to the lady with the mosquito bites. But I'd read more. I like the suspense.<BR/><BR/>3. Funny. I really liked this, I liked Tess.<BR/><BR/>4. Over the top. Way, way, over. Not funny any more, just silly.<BR/><BR/>5. Not bad. But I'm not thrilled, either. The Duke's problem is presented so awkwardly. <BR/><BR/>Ah, well. Now I'll go see who did these stories. <BR/><BR/>SaraleeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post-1156430173478843822006-08-24T10:36:00.000-04:002006-08-24T10:36:00.000-04:00I want to read #1 and #2! I read romance occasion...I want to read #1 and #2! I read romance occasionally but not enough to recognize the books. There is an up and coming star among us, though. I really like what I have read of december quinn's work. -JTC<BR/><BR/>Is that 20 bucks worth, december?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post-1156430085616778792006-08-24T10:34:00.000-04:002006-08-24T10:34:00.000-04:00Fixed, Thanks.Fixed, Thanks.Evil Editorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03879826770199639420noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post-1156429447385426642006-08-24T10:24:00.000-04:002006-08-24T10:24:00.000-04:00Your link to the Openings page in this post is bro...Your link to the Openings page in this post is broken. Kaput. Non-functioning. Knackered.<BR/><BR/>(word verification: eemaye. Indeed...)nonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00415222406280230021noreply@blogger.com