tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post115308034491109988..comments2024-03-18T13:32:44.865-04:00Comments on Evil Editor: Face-Lift 121Evil Editorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03879826770199639420noreply@blogger.comBlogger29125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post-1153377338153329962006-07-20T02:35:00.000-04:002006-07-20T02:35:00.000-04:00Wow Urnamma....Can I take a class or something?:)Wow Urnamma....<BR/>Can I take a class or something?<BR/>:)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post-1153349329948774842006-07-19T18:48:00.000-04:002006-07-19T18:48:00.000-04:00Me? I got something right? But, but, but... I wa...Me? I got something right? But, but, but... I was just using yahoo search! <BR/><BR/>Thanks, urnamma. It's cool, when someone knows what they are writing about. And you do. So, rock on!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post-1153333275641793382006-07-19T14:21:00.000-04:002006-07-19T14:21:00.000-04:00It should be pointed out in the author's defense t...It should be pointed out in the author's defense that the Hallelujahs (a joke that few would get in Gaelic) and the affair between Patrick and Aisling were added by Evil Editor, and not part of the query (and possibly not part of the book).Evil Editorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03879826770199639420noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post-1153328387641363822006-07-19T12:59:00.000-04:002006-07-19T12:59:00.000-04:00Many readers of historical romances really do care...Many readers of historical romances really do care about anachronism, and as the comments here have shown, many people know enough about pre-Christian Ireland to know that the details here are fishy.<BR/><BR/>The thing that caught me, though, was the quote, which I immediately recognized as one of Saint Columba's (aka St. Columcille). If my memory serves me, he was alive and working in Ireland around 500 AD -- and a LOT of Irish Catholics at least will know that quote. (More at http://ns2.rsok.com/columcille_and_druids.html)<BR/><BR/>If you're going for a purely Christian market, you'll still need to fix the research problems in the book. If you're not, you might reconsider making the good / evil split between Christians and pagans so obviousAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post-1153326141514796972006-07-19T12:22:00.000-04:002006-07-19T12:22:00.000-04:00urnamma: If you meant black, as in skin colour, 3...urnamma: If you meant black, as in skin colour, 3. <BR/>St Victor 189AD, St Militiades 311-314, St Galassius 492-296 (or so sais holyangels.com)<BR/><BR/>However, the wikipedia has this:<BR/><BR/>"The Black Pope" is a derogatory name given to the Superior General of the Society of Jesus due to the Jesuits' practice of wearing black cassocks (compared to the pope's always wearing white robes), and to the order's specific allegiance to the Roman pontiff.<BR/><BR/>I dunno which one you meant, I'm sure I didn't pass. Informative rant. However, not all peoples considered 'pagans' by the Christians, really were ones. I'm sure you'll disagree. That's fine. I am just a plant, after all.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post-1153259204936335912006-07-18T17:46:00.000-04:002006-07-18T17:46:00.000-04:00Catja: I didn't say stupid. I said they wouldn't ...Catja: I didn't say stupid. I said they wouldn't care.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post-1153222224577795732006-07-18T07:30:00.000-04:002006-07-18T07:30:00.000-04:00If you want my two cents (which, combined with sev...If you want my two cents (which, combined with several more cents, might get you a danish) I:<BR/><BR/>1. Don't think anyone will care much when the name Aislain or whatever her name is was first used.<BR/><BR/>2. I think a lot of Christians would like this book, and the author might want to try Christian publishers.<BR/><BR/>Please note that I am not Christian, I'm just thinking about this book in relation to the success of other books with inaccurate historical information and inaccurate religious information (ie, Dan Brown's Da Vinci Code). In other words, I think that if an author tells a good tale, historical details tend to fall to the wayside, and no one really cares.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post-1153206139774398392006-07-18T03:02:00.000-04:002006-07-18T03:02:00.000-04:00Christ is my druid? Errrr... I really don't think...Christ is my druid? Errrr... I really don't think that's accurate. it would be more accurate to say that Aisling is a druid. Christ is a god, or a sub-diety, or whatnot. <BR/><BR/>And please, I hope in the name of Athena that you don't preach in this novel. Pagan bad/Christian good is innacurate. Pagan kinda bad and good / Christian kinda bad and good is more accurate. Make sure that Ronan isn't an entirely bad guy... just a guy doing what he believes is right.<BR/><BR/>And is Aisling going to go for monotheism all at once? I'd find it more accurate if she accepted Christ as ONE diety of many, at first at least. Unless St. Patrick brainwashes her. <BR/><BR/>IF YOU DO YOUR RESEARCH this novel has potential. IF YOU STAY OBJECTIVE this novel has potential. IF YOU DO NOT it will probably flop straight into the slushpile.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post-1153193150819493292006-07-17T23:25:00.000-04:002006-07-17T23:25:00.000-04:00I think the sacrifice of her son would make more s...I think the sacrifice of her son would make more sense if her husband found out that the child wasn't his...otherwise, why would he sacrifice his own son? Of course, that would mean that her morals were a tad off...or, maybe he could just think/suspect that the boy wasn't his?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post-1153188512374804352006-07-17T22:08:00.000-04:002006-07-17T22:08:00.000-04:00When I saw "Lorcan MacKenna" I immediately thought...When I saw "Lorcan MacKenna" I immediately thought of popular (female) Celtic singer Loreena McKennitt, which probably isn't the image the author had in mind for the villain.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post-1153183623809751142006-07-17T20:47:00.000-04:002006-07-17T20:47:00.000-04:00Of course, Patrick did convert Ireland to Christia...Of course, Patrick did convert Ireland to Christianity, so the whole Chrisitan-Druid conflict is historically accurate. And I don't think we can assume a christians-good-druids-bad theme from a query.<BR/><BR/>It is interesting: I've noticed you rarely see christians protrayed in a good light in modern literature that isn't overtly christian/inspirational.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post-1153164915038896092006-07-17T15:35:00.000-04:002006-07-17T15:35:00.000-04:00Snakes on a wain.Outstanding, mazement! Well done...<I>Snakes on a wain.</I><BR/><BR/>Outstanding, mazement! Well done.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post-1153163313301297422006-07-17T15:08:00.000-04:002006-07-17T15:08:00.000-04:00Is anyone else sent into raptures of giggling by "...Is anyone else sent into raptures of giggling by "'Christ is my druid now'", or is it just me?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post-1153161254507558542006-07-17T14:34:00.000-04:002006-07-17T14:34:00.000-04:00I read the synopsis a couple of times and can't fi...I read the synopsis a couple of times and can't figure out the timeline. She rejects her gods for Christ, keeping her conversion a secret, but then later meets Patrick and hears about Christ (for the first time?). That's how I read it but I realize it can't be so. In a synopsis this short I would recommend keeping the timeline strictly linear.<BR/><BR/>Also not a fan of infidels "saved" by Christians (elephant in the room: weren't Christians about to go on a devastating rampage across the Middle East in just a few more centuries?) but more importantly I'm wondering how this would sit with inspirational readers...? I've read blurbs for modern inspirationals, and as far as I can tell they don't usually denigrate other religions in the process of championing Christianity. Just thinking about the market potential here.<BR/><BR/>I would guess the romance angle is her husband being saved in the end ("trusting her Lord for ultimate redemption" could refer to hubby?) and they live happily ever after. I'm pretty sure an inspirational would not include adultery, even if the marriage hadn't been sanctifed by the "correct" god.<BR/><BR/>So - no hot hunky slave sex. Dang.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post-1153159897975138712006-07-17T14:11:00.000-04:002006-07-17T14:11:00.000-04:00If Patrick is really St. Patrick, then playing up ...If Patrick is really St. Patrick, then playing up the "driving snakes out of Ireland" bit would capitalize on one of the hot new trends.<BR/><BR/>Working title: "Snakes on a Wain".Mazementhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05582737613375371386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post-1153158948693041182006-07-17T13:55:00.000-04:002006-07-17T13:55:00.000-04:00Oh, ick ick ick! Eeeeevil pagans and goooooood Ch...Oh, ick ick ick! Eeeeevil pagans and goooooood Christians.<BR/><BR/>I hate this plot device. I hate the eeeeeevil Christians and the gooooooood pagans device too, but not quiet as much.<BR/><BR/>Being religious doesn't make someone black and white, and this level of preachiness certainly won't fly in a historial romance, where readers are most concerned about the, er, romance.<BR/><BR/>(You may also want to research Celtic druids a bit more, because a lot of this sounds like it's been grabbed from various periods and pagan lores and mixed together in a not-very-appetizing human sacrifice cocktail.)<BR/><BR/>(Although I know the druids did make sacrifices, as did many primitive cultures. I'm not saying lose the angle, I'm saying that as it's presented I wouldn't want to read about it.)<BR/><BR/>Off to my weekly secret stone circle ritual group potluck...Lunahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17015037227580626815noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post-1153157539011014572006-07-17T13:32:00.000-04:002006-07-17T13:32:00.000-04:00It was the name Luc that struck me as not being pa...It was the name Luc that struck me as not being particularly Celtic. (Did a wandering Frenchman also make it into this story?)<BR/><BR/>I get the feeling this is supposed to be an "inspirational" novel. It might work as that, but I highly doubt it would go over as a mainstream romance.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post-1153157128199656942006-07-17T13:25:00.000-04:002006-07-17T13:25:00.000-04:00Sorry, I'm with the plant and her majesty, on this...Sorry, I'm with the plant and her majesty, on this one. I'd rather read the book from the 'savages' point of view.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post-1153156491126021922006-07-17T13:14:00.000-04:002006-07-17T13:14:00.000-04:00The name Aisling did not exist in the fifth centur...The name Aisling did not exist in the fifth century. <BR/><BR/>Aisling (or Aislinn) is a political genre of Irish poetry created in the 17th-18th century in which the island of Ireland appears to the poet in the form of a woman. The woman laments the current state of the Irish people and predicts an approaching return to glory.<BR/><BR/>The word, which on its own means "dream" or "vision", has only been used as a girls name in Ireland for the last century or so.<BR/><BR/>I am highly unlikely to read any book about Christians converting the "poor heathens" of another land. <BR/><BR/>But if I were so inclined, I'd pass on this book the second I saw a fifth century woman named Aisling. I would assume that if the author couldn't be bothered to research the name of her main character, he/she likely hadn't researched much of the plot either.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post-1153152722425314642006-07-17T12:12:00.000-04:002006-07-17T12:12:00.000-04:00Patrick is Padraig in Irish, Rachel, but St. Patri...Patrick is Padraig in Irish, Rachel, but St. Patrick wasn't Irish.<BR/><BR/>You're right, though, in that Aisling would likely call him Padraig, and that accurate Irish names should be used in the book. <BR/><BR/><BR/>I don't know if it would please the author to know that as a pagan I would not enjoy a story where pagans are protrayed as people who sacrifice their children to get back at their wayward wives. So this would be a pass for me, but I'm sure it has a large and enthusiastic audience elsewhere, which is great.Staciahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07969399927758009095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post-1153150907450946142006-07-17T11:41:00.000-04:002006-07-17T11:41:00.000-04:00"Patrick" in Irish is "Padraig". Just, y'know, in..."Patrick" in Irish is "Padraig". Just, y'know, informationally. There's no way the author DOESN'T mean St. Patrick, and I would just like to say... St. Brendan the Navigator was ten times the hunk St. Patrick ever was! *ahem* <BR/><BR/>And burftysquirrel, we were thinking the same thing -- Wiltshire on wheels!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post-1153149376072462422006-07-17T11:16:00.000-04:002006-07-17T11:16:00.000-04:00I think this story has potential if some of the ad...I think this story has potential if some of the advice given by EE and his minions is taken to heart. It is very tough to find entertaining novels about Christianity as a good thing. If, that is what is intended here. -JTCAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post-1153148942813519052006-07-17T11:09:00.000-04:002006-07-17T11:09:00.000-04:00Did the writer intend for the religion of the drui...Did the writer intend for the religion of the druids to have some apparent validity in the story? After all, they had a correct prophecy, so they weren't complete frauds. <BR/><BR/>I mention it only because the novel does seem like it was intended to be predominantly an inspirational story, and this aspect doesn't fit. <BR/><BR/>The romance also doesn't seem to fit; perhaps it should be chopped, rather than emphasised.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post-1153148088732406212006-07-17T10:54:00.000-04:002006-07-17T10:54:00.000-04:00Is thsi "former British slave named Patrick" suppo...Is thsi "former British slave named Patrick" supposed to be st. Patrick? If so, his having a tawdry romance with Aisling might stir up enough contoversy to make the book a bestseller, but you'd better watch your ass next March 17.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26791026.post-1153148036965788232006-07-17T10:53:00.000-04:002006-07-17T10:53:00.000-04:00Is it Stonehenge?Not unless Wiltshire was unusuall...<I>Is it Stonehenge?</I><BR/><BR/>Not unless Wiltshire was unusually mobile way back when...nonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00415222406280230021noreply@blogger.com