I'm reading the first in a series: Still Life by Louise Penny. She seems to win best mystery novel of the year awards with every new book in the series.
I liked the writing in this book but not the situations. It's darker and more introspective than THE GRAVEYARD book. Also, I think I related to the boys in THE MARBURY LENS and I'km not relating to the girl in FOREST OF HANDS AND TEETH. Probably because I'm closer to the 17 year old hockey goalie and not the 13 year old niece who like Hetalia manga.
I mist typed way too fast The Unconsecrated were stylized zombies and the infected people. HElp me out with the Sisterhood. I typed faster than I thought.
To Dave's point about 'dark' - I suppose it is dark, but I see a lot of darkness in the world, anyway - not morbidly, just realistically, so a dark novel doesn't worry me.
And I like seeing a protagonist face that kind of thing, with difficulty, and find a way through it, ya know?
Was anyone else reminded of the scene in Titanic where the lifeboats wouldn't go back for more survivors when the people on the platforms pulled up the ladders and left others below to fend for themselves?
Oh, I have the 4th Flavia as well - haven't started it yet. Saving it for a day when I can just sit and read in peace.
Anyway, back to The Forest of... It's really well done, immediate entry into the world. As I said, normally this present tense style brings me out of a novel rather than placing me into it, but in this case, it worked well.
About 15 years ago I had to help home school my niece (being the scientist and engineer, the science fell to me) and she commented that my tastes in literature and poetry were too dark. SO what If I like Sylvia Plath et. al.) So I stepped back from all that literature and guess what comes into vogue. That was the basis of my generational comment. These teens and YA seem to want dark and emotional stories.
As I understand it there's a sequel and a prequel to this book. The prequel stars Tabatha. Don't know if the sequel has any of the same characters or if it's just set in the same world.
Just went searching for Scott Westerfeld's comment on the subject which I think helpls explain it:
"Teenagers love a good apocalypse. Who doesn't? All those annoying rules suspended. Society's pretenses made irrelevant. Malls to be looted. School out forever."
I"m a classical music fan and to get to the end of an opera or a Bruckner Symphony or as as grand as some Mahler (his later music) requires patience and time.
I gotta tell you, Sylvia: the scenes were totally clear in my head. Of course, I was seeing Amy Adams as Mary. Sister Tabitha was Meryl Streep. But I know my watching the movie DOUBT had some influence on that, for some reason.
Oh yeah. I have to admit that at first, when I figured out what the Unconsecrated were, I thought, "Great. A zombie novel. Just great." But that thought was faint because I was already hooked.
Intense is a good description. I think it's the way the moaning of the zombies is always there, like cicadas, you kind of get used to it, but it's there in the back of your mind, 24/7, reminding you that you're a goner if you make one wrong step.
AM I the only one who had Nuns in grade school and high school? They always tried to scare the kids into behaving with threats of hell and rulers and other garbage things. That didn't impress me, it just aggravated me into remembering why a classmate just admitted these many years later that they drank through HS.
I can present some really unkind examples if you want but I grew up with that frigid, cold hateful and mean discipline.
It really hit home for me how people—prior to our modern existence—really needed strict rules of conduct for survival. All those little pagan mating rituals that wove their way in through all the religious stuff.
Sister Tabitha is up there with the dark and brooding "you must do it this way, soullessly and mindlessly, because we know its the only way. It just destroys your self-confidence. hat may be what this is, one girls search for self-confidence and the meaning of life.
I don't mean that sarcastically or mockingly, either. I mean that in the best sense I can put it.
Nuns and penguins. Growing up I knew they existed but I never actually saw one except now and then on a documentary. Just totally removed from my life.
In other thoughts, I gave this book away as a gift at Christmas. I haven't heard anything about it. My Nephew's girl is 13 and I expect to hear nothing from her. Teens don't speak to Aunts and Uncles these days. They save their minds for important things like twitter and FB with their peers.
It would be interesting to see what happened in a big city. Is everyone a zombie? Are there thousands living in skyscrapers? Did the military try and fail to wipe out the unconsecrated?
I'm glad there was hope at the end - if there hadn't been, there would've been no reason to the journey, for me. And I like the idea of an island being a sanctuary of sorts.
I tried a few books on my IPAD but I still prefer the paper copy. Not out of anything other than I can take the paperback to more places than I can carry an IPAD.
I got it on my Kindle. Just got it too late to do anything else. Though my Kindle is really convenient, I too still prefer books. After staring at a computer screen all day, the last thing I want to do is do more reading on a smaller computer screen.
Actually, I read most of this on the IPAD and it's hard to take to the throne room or carry around to relative's houses for holidays. The papercopy is cheaper and less angst to lose. The IPAD was too expensive.
Speaking of MARRIED WITH ZOMBIES, I just started the third book - EAT SLAY LOVE last night. It's so much lighter in tone and more splatterifically not scary.
I love my Kindle because it's the same size as a paperback (so I can take it everywhere) but much thinner (fits in my smallest handbag) and has 50 books on it so I have a great choice in what to read.
Only very rarely to I get cabin crew who think I should turn it off during take-off.
I don't know if I could write something as dark as that second season of WALKING DEAD where they spent all that time looking for the child and that other event, the "kneecapping"...
WALKING DEAD is spectacular but draining. It is relentlessly dark as civilization and society crumble before your eyes. I mean shatters rather than crumbles.
And every so often, they rip out your heart with something so cold and despairful that you gotta cringe.
I did put one more book in the Chat schedule, but I'm inclined to end the chats or come up with a better way than trying to find one time everyone can make it.
re: EE's comment: Was anyone else reminded of the scene in Titanic where the lifeboats wouldn't go back for more survivors when the people on the platforms pulled up the ladders and left others below to fend for themselves?
That's a lot of what I was going for -- this idea that community can break down in life/death situations. I'm always fascinated by how people act under the most extreme circumstances and whether they'll risk themselves to help others.
re: EE comment: I believe there will be a movie made from this book. Not sure what stage they're currently at.
Yep, they've exercised the option. Beyond that, I'm not sure where things stand. IMDB said that filming would be starting early 2012 so I'm keeping my fingers very crossed :)
re: As I understand it there's a sequel and a prequel to this book. The prequel stars Tabatha. Don't know if the sequel has any of the same characters or if it's just set in the same world.
There's a prequel short story, HARE MOON, that you can get online as an eshort story. It's about Tabitha when she was Mary's age and shows a little more about how she came to be the way she is (she really fascinated me when I wrote her in FHT).
There are two sequels (or rather, companions): THE DEAD-TOSSED WAVES is told from the POV of Mary's daughter and is a generation later. THE DARK AND HOLLOW PLACES is more of a direct sequel to the second book.
There are also a lot of other short stories set in that world - mostly around the time of the Return: Bougainvillea in Zombies vs. Unicorns; A Game of Firsts in The First Time; a story in Defy the Dark (forthcoming); Scenic Route in Enthralled; Flotsam & Jetsam in Living Dead 2.
re: it being a dark book. I get this a lot and I do think it's true to a certain extent. That world is a dark world -- there's always a threat of death and fear.
One of the things that really fascinates me is how people still find love and happiness during the most horrific circumstances. In war, in concentration camps, in famine-- there are families and love and compassion. It's sort of the opposite of what I was saying about the townsfolk pulling up the ladder to the platforms -- that in extreme times sometimes you can actually find the best in people.
I think for me there's comfort in this idea -- that we can go through horrible times but still find purpose and a full life.
re: I thought the writing is this was magnificent and damn near perfection. It just flowed and worked so well as the story unfolded. Really well crafted.
re: It really hit home for me how people—prior to our modern existence—really needed strict rules of conduct for survival.
This was another issue I was exploring. I never wanted the Sisterhood to be just plain evil -- I think they were strict because they felt it was the only way to keep the villagers safe. Yes, they lied and manipulated, but that's how they felt they'd survive. So in my mind, they acted out of love.
re: When they got to the new village, why were all the zombies indoors? Did they all get together and decide to lay a trap?
My zombies aren't sentient so they couldn't plan like that. I think some of them were outside but "downed" and others were inside. I think it just depends on where they were when they "downed." Some of them might have been infected when the village turned and trapped themselves inside to be safe, only to then Return, etc. Does that make sense?
re: It would be interesting to see what happened in a big city. Is everyone a zombie? Are there thousands living in skyscrapers? Did the military try and fail to wipe out the unconsecrated?
This is where the third book (THE DARK AND HOLLOW PLACES) is set :)
Hopefully that answers your questions! Again, I'm so so sorry for missing this chat! I'll keep checking back to see if there's more discussion or more questions!
The good news is that I always edit the chats, putting the answers with the questions and posting the result at EvilEditor.net, so it'll sound like you were here. Hope your father in law has a full recovery.
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Morning. Anyone?
Uh oh.
Hi!
Hi. I see you're still alive.
Yeah, alive and well, except a broken toe, and living in London. How are you?
hi
gee, I made it
Hey, Dave.
How many are here?
Hi Dave. With a broken toe, you should be spending all your time in front of the computer.
To start, I think this is a dark story and I'm wondering if I'm not having a generational reaction.
3 are here. More said they were coming. No one showed up for our last chat, so this may well BE our last chat.
Yeah, well, I'm walking still, and popping Motrin.
Sylvia will be here in just a minute. Stacy's coming as well, right?
A broken toe in London? THat's a place to walk around and not, uh, limp with a bad toe. Bandage or cast?
All our YA books are dark. Hunger Games, Marbury Lens...was Graveyard Book YA?
Then I'll get my tea and cereal drown in its touch of caffienne and sugar
Bookwise, I enjoyed the present-tense feel of this month's choice. Normally, I don't. But this was done very, very well.
You keep picking them like this, EE, please.
I loved Graveyard Book. I've reread it since.
Just read a wonderful book - V is for Vengeance, by Sue Grafton. Latest in a series.
Bandage, Dave. Sorry, just saw you'd asked that.
The Unconsecrated were done well. Very scary. I wasn't clear on whether Gabrielle, the fast one, was fast only in comparison, or fast like The Flash.
I was thinking 'by comparison', but I think that's because this world was drawn so well, it seemed like 'realistic rules' applied.
I'm reading the first in a series: Still Life by Louise Penny. She seems to win best mystery novel of the year awards with every new book in the series.
Hi! Sorry I'm late. I completely lost track of time (again)
Late, but I'm here.
You broke your toe?
I liked the writing in this book but not the situations. It's darker and more introspective than THE GRAVEYARD book. Also, I think I related to the boys in THE MARBURY LENS and I'km not relating to the girl in FOREST OF HANDS AND TEETH. Probably because I'm closer to the 17 year old hockey goalie and not the 13 year old niece who like Hetalia manga.
It just seemed if all the others were really slow, it would be easy to run away from them. Guess they were everywhere, so there was nowhere to run.
Hey Sylvia!
I haven't heard of Louise Penny - I'll check her out.
Sue Grafton does her protagonist's voice so well, it's like she's an old buddy, telling you a story. Amazing gift for voice with gutsy humor.
Our power went out for a while and I tried logging in from my phone, but that didn't have a lot of juice. Thankfully, our power came back on.
The Unconsecrated were Nuns, the Sisters of Whatever Holy Stuff messes up my childhood and teen years. No, it wasn't that bad but they are Nuns.
Is the author coming?
Sylvia, yeah- I slammed it into a sofa leg. Major grace, eh?
Hi Stacy!
I bought this book as an audio book for listening to at the gym. The problem is, I go to the gym a lot less than I read books.
I got 4th Flavia de Luce book for Christmas, saving it for a rainy day.
I thought the take on the zombie trope here was pretty fresh and original.
I mist typed way too fast The Unconsecrated were stylized zombies and the infected people. HElp me out with the Sisterhood. I typed faster than I thought.
Hi Robin!
The author is supposed to be coming. Maybe she's lurking, waiting to see if we're truly evil. Loved the book.
Also, the scenes in this were so strong, I felt like I was watching a movie in my mind as I read. Good writing.
To Dave's point about 'dark' - I suppose it is dark, but I see a lot of darkness in the world, anyway - not morbidly, just realistically, so a dark novel doesn't worry me.
And I like seeing a protagonist face that kind of thing, with difficulty, and find a way through it, ya know?
I like dystopian, especially with a female protag, so this is exactly the kind of story I enjoy.
Yeah, me too, Sylvia.
Was anyone else reminded of the scene in Titanic where the lifeboats wouldn't go back for more survivors when the people on the platforms pulled up the ladders and left others below to fend for themselves?
Oh, I have the 4th Flavia as well - haven't started it yet. Saving it for a day when I can just sit and read in peace.
Anyway, back to The Forest of...
It's really well done, immediate entry into the world. As I said, normally this present tense style brings me out of a novel rather than placing me into it, but in this case, it worked well.
I didn't see Titanic. I think I'm the only American who didn't.
I believe there will be a movie made from this book. Not sure what stage they're currently at.
Me too, Robin. Normally not into present tense, but it worked really well in this book.
About 15 years ago I had to help home school my niece (being the scientist and engineer, the science fell to me) and she commented that my tastes in literature and poetry were too dark. SO what If I like Sylvia Plath et. al.) So I stepped back from all that literature and guess what comes into vogue. That was the basis of my generational comment. These teens and YA seem to want dark and emotional stories.
I read that the company who optioned it is fast-tracking it for a 2013 release date.
They're growing up in dark times, IMHO.
Cool for the author!
As I understand it there's a sequel and a prequel to this book. The prequel stars Tabatha. Don't know if the sequel has any of the same characters or if it's just set in the same world.
I haven't seen the Titanic either. :)
I didn't see Titanic either, Stacy. Usually, if something is a 'must see', I make it a point not to see it.
I'm not sure these times are dark just confused and dismal. I"ve been through dark times without hope and this isn't what I call dark times.
I read the teasers, and it seems like they are set in the same world.
I did see Titanic and have seen it subsequently on Cable and yes, this has that dark, soul-tearing revelation that some must die.
Maybe. They feel pretty dark to me, though. But you're right that they could be a lot darker, Dave.
It's important to be up on pop culture like Titanic so that you understand my jokes when I make fun of it.
Just went searching for Scott Westerfeld's comment on the subject which I think helpls explain it:
"Teenagers love a good apocalypse. Who doesn't? All those annoying rules suspended. Society's pretenses made irrelevant. Malls to be looted. School out forever."
Titanic just didn't appeal to me, for some reason. I'm normally pretty commercial in my tastes, I think.
Great quote!
What exactly was the Return?
Well, I will go watch it, EE. : )
I never really understood that either, EE.
I just can't sit still long enough to watch a film. Although I will try when the Hobbit comes out. :)
There is a sense of camaraderie in MARBURY LENS that I didn't get here.
I thought the writing is this was magnificent and damn near perfection. It just flowed and worked so well as the story unfolded. Really well crafted.
That's what pause buttons are for.
The part where Sister Tabitha took Mary to the deep part of the Cathedral and threatened to dump her into the Forest scared the crap out of me.
I"m a classical music fan and to get to the end of an opera or a Bruckner Symphony or as as grand as some Mahler (his later music) requires patience and time.
There was camaraderie among them all when they were growing up. The book picks up at the point when it all goes kablooey.
Totally agree, Dave. The writing was stellar.
I might just break down and buy the book - I think the narrator for the audio book doesn't have as intense a voice as you guys are reading it in.
That Tabitha scene was scary, and then, apparently, she actually does throw Gabrielle to the Unconsecrated.
A lot scared the crap out of me, Stace - a tribute to how well it's done, eh?!
You BELIEVE.
I gotta tell you, Sylvia: the scenes were totally clear in my head. Of course, I was seeing Amy Adams as Mary. Sister Tabitha was Meryl Streep. But I know my watching the movie DOUBT had some influence on that, for some reason.
I bought the Kindle for PC version.
Oh yeah. I have to admit that at first, when I figured out what the Unconsecrated were, I thought, "Great. A zombie novel. Just great." But that thought was faint because I was already hooked.
Intense is a good description. I think it's the way the moaning of the zombies is always there, like cicadas, you kind of get used to it, but it's there in the back of your mind, 24/7, reminding you that you're a goner if you make one wrong step.
AM I the only one who had Nuns in grade school and high school? They always tried to scare the kids into behaving with threats of hell and rulers and other garbage things. That didn't impress me, it just aggravated me into remembering why a classmate just admitted these many years later that they drank through HS.
I can present some really unkind examples if you want but I grew up with that frigid, cold hateful and mean discipline.
Yeah, and the anxiety of that watching out for yourself 24/7 is always there. Like undercurrent background music.
I didn't have nuns in school, but I did have a really mean second grade teacher. Mrs. Gwaltney. She should have been a prison warden instead.
It really hit home for me how people—prior to our modern existence—really needed strict rules of conduct for survival. All those little pagan mating rituals that wove their way in through all the religious stuff.
I loathe nuns. 8 years of them in grade school. Ewwwww.
You know, I tried to borrow this book from my niece, but she said she "couldn't find it." Hmmmmmm.
One of my teachers burned a student alive the first day of class. I gotta admit the rest of us all behaved the rest of the year.
Sister Tabitha is up there with the dark and brooding "you must do it this way, soullessly and mindlessly, because we know its the only way. It just destroys your self-confidence. hat may be what this is, one girls search for self-confidence and the meaning of life.
I don't mean that sarcastically or mockingly, either. I mean that in the best sense I can put it.
Nuns and penguins. Growing up I knew they existed but I never actually saw one except now and then on a documentary. Just totally removed from my life.
Wow - was it a priest?
Where were you, EE? Slytherin?
When they got to the new village, why were all the zombies indoors? Did they all get together and decide to lay a trap?
I think that's pretty much the theme of the novel, Dave. Good description.
Agree.
"burned a student alive the first day of class"
Now that was special! HAHA
In other thoughts, I gave this book away as a gift at Christmas. I haven't heard anything about it. My Nephew's girl is 13 and I expect to hear nothing from her. Teens don't speak to Aunts and Uncles these days. They save their minds for important things like twitter and FB with their peers.
Now that she reached the ocean, and it looks like there's hope, should she try to go back and get the dog and the kid and her friends?
Maybe we'll find out in the sequel.
I"m not sure where it would go. Taking a boat out on a sea you've just discovered is a feat all by itself.
She could put more Unconsecrated out in the ocean. Zombie sharks.
It would be interesting to see what happened in a big city. Is everyone a zombie? Are there thousands living in skyscrapers? Did the military try and fail to wipe out the unconsecrated?
I'm glad there was hope at the end - if there hadn't been, there would've been no reason to the journey, for me.
And I like the idea of an island being a sanctuary of sorts.
I tried a few books on my IPAD but I still prefer the paper copy. Not out of anything other than I can take the paperback to more places than I can carry an IPAD.
Agree, Dave. I just wanted to hurry and get the book, in this instance, because I had a limited window when I had a chance to sit down and read.
I have a wall of books on shelves that I love!
I got it on my Kindle. Just got it too late to do anything else. Though my Kindle is really convenient, I too still prefer books. After staring at a computer screen all day, the last thing I want to do is do more reading on a smaller computer screen.
This book was scarier than Married with Zombies. In my opinion.
Actually, I read most of this on the IPAD and it's hard to take to the throne room or carry around to relative's houses for holidays. The papercopy is cheaper and less angst to lose. The IPAD was too expensive.
I didn't think Married with Zombies was scary at all. It was always that bit too over-the-top to inspire fear.
I'm not normally a zombie book fan. This was different, to me, in a good way. Fresher approach, I suppose - and very well-written.
Speaking of MARRIED WITH ZOMBIES, I just started the third book - EAT SLAY LOVE last night. It's so much lighter in tone and more splatterifically not scary.
I love my Kindle because it's the same size as a paperback (so I can take it everywhere) but much thinner (fits in my smallest handbag) and has 50 books on it so I have a great choice in what to read.
Only very rarely to I get cabin crew who think I should turn it off during take-off.
I couldn't read Married with Zombies. I sort of tried. But the title was a complete turn off.
Married With Zombies was more gory than scary. The heroine in that felt too tough to ever be really scared, the way Mary was.
I was joking. Of COURSE this was scarier.
It was definitely splatterific!
I don't know if I could write something as dark as that second season of WALKING DEAD where they spent all that time looking for the child and that other event, the "kneecapping"...
I haven't seen much of the Walking Dead. Is it good?
Whoops. I mean, I haven't seen WALKING DEAD. Unfortunately, I've seen a lot of the Walking Dead here in Chicago. Heh heh.
The walking dead is scary. The zombies are realistic, but not as plentiful as in this book.
WALKING DEAD is spectacular but draining. It is relentlessly dark as civilization and society crumble before your eyes. I mean shatters rather than crumbles.
And every so often, they rip out your heart with something so cold and despairful that you gotta cringe.
OK, it's noonish, so even if the author got the time zone wrong, she should be here. Guess she forgot. I'm ready to call it a chat.
Okey dokey. Thanks for hosting, EE.
Perhaps she'll drop in later and answer any questions we had.
Byyyeee :)
Have a nice day. Thanks and bye bye
Bye Dave! *waves*
Sylvia, Robin, great to see you two 'round again. : )
I did put one more book in the Chat schedule, but I'm inclined to end the chats or come up with a better way than trying to find one time everyone can make it.
Bye all.
Bye!
I'm here! So sorry I'm late -- I'll start answering now! (I was helping take care of my father-in-law who just had a heart attack - so sorry!!!)
re: EE's comment: Was anyone else reminded of the scene in Titanic where the lifeboats wouldn't go back for more survivors when the people on the platforms pulled up the ladders and left others below to fend for themselves?
That's a lot of what I was going for -- this idea that community can break down in life/death situations. I'm always fascinated by how people act under the most extreme circumstances and whether they'll risk themselves to help others.
re: EE comment: I believe there will be a movie made from this book. Not sure what stage they're currently at.
Yep, they've exercised the option. Beyond that, I'm not sure where things stand. IMDB said that filming would be starting early 2012 so I'm keeping my fingers very crossed :)
re: As I understand it there's a sequel and a prequel to this book. The prequel stars Tabatha. Don't know if the sequel has any of the same characters or if it's just set in the same world.
There's a prequel short story, HARE MOON, that you can get online as an eshort story. It's about Tabitha when she was Mary's age and shows a little more about how she came to be the way she is (she really fascinated me when I wrote her in FHT).
There are two sequels (or rather, companions): THE DEAD-TOSSED WAVES is told from the POV of Mary's daughter and is a generation later. THE DARK AND HOLLOW PLACES is more of a direct sequel to the second book.
There are also a lot of other short stories set in that world - mostly around the time of the Return:
Bougainvillea in Zombies vs. Unicorns; A Game of Firsts in The First Time; a story in Defy the Dark (forthcoming); Scenic Route in Enthralled; Flotsam & Jetsam in Living Dead 2.
re: it being a dark book. I get this a lot and I do think it's true to a certain extent. That world is a dark world -- there's always a threat of death and fear.
One of the things that really fascinates me is how people still find love and happiness during the most horrific circumstances. In war, in concentration camps, in famine-- there are families and love and compassion. It's sort of the opposite of what I was saying about the townsfolk pulling up the ladder to the platforms -- that in extreme times sometimes you can actually find the best in people.
I think for me there's comfort in this idea -- that we can go through horrible times but still find purpose and a full life.
re: What exactly was the Return
The Return was the zombie apocalypse.
re: I thought the writing is this was magnificent and damn near perfection. It just flowed and worked so well as the story unfolded. Really well crafted.
WOW!! Thank you so much!!!
re: It really hit home for me how people—prior to our modern existence—really needed strict rules of conduct for survival.
This was another issue I was exploring. I never wanted the Sisterhood to be just plain evil -- I think they were strict because they felt it was the only way to keep the villagers safe. Yes, they lied and manipulated, but that's how they felt they'd survive. So in my mind, they acted out of love.
re: When they got to the new village, why were all the zombies indoors? Did they all get together and decide to lay a trap?
My zombies aren't sentient so they couldn't plan like that. I think some of them were outside but "downed" and others were inside. I think it just depends on where they were when they "downed." Some of them might have been infected when the village turned and trapped themselves inside to be safe, only to then Return, etc. Does that make sense?
re: It would be interesting to see what happened in a big city. Is everyone a zombie? Are there thousands living in skyscrapers? Did the military try and fail to wipe out the unconsecrated?
This is where the third book (THE DARK AND HOLLOW PLACES) is set :)
re: I'm glad there was hope at the end - if there hadn't been, there would've been no reason to the journey, for me.
I'm glad you saw the hope!! I meant for there to be hope :)
re: And I like the idea of an island being a sanctuary of sorts.
That's the idea behind my short story Bougainvillea in Zombies v. Unicorns -- whether an island would work long term.
I'm also a huge fan of Walking Dead -- I started reading the graphic novels when they first came out and I've loved how they've grown so mainstream :)
Hopefully that answers your questions! Again, I'm so so sorry for missing this chat! I'll keep checking back to see if there's more discussion or more questions!
Thanks!
The good news is that I always edit the chats, putting the answers with the questions and posting the result at EvilEditor.net, so it'll sound like you were here. Hope your father in law has a full recovery.
Thanks, Carrie, and I hope your father-in-law is better soon!
Thanks so much, Carrie! Best wishes to you and your father-in-law.
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