Book Chat 17: Paul Auster/Man in the Dark

July, 2009
Evil Editor said...I thought it was fantastic.
Blogger ril said...I thought it was really magic.
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Dave F. said...It was an interesting book. Not what I expected as an
ending but satisfying. Since EE deals with opening 150 words that is one
fascinating opening. It just lays out the entire story.
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Evil Editor said...It was enjoyable enough, but on page 70 when you
start to realize that the world of the narrator's story may actually
exist, I went Whoa! Cool.
Blogger Steve said...I dunno, EE. It
never seemed to me that the alternate-reality stuff - the "Owen Brick"
story - was anything more than a fantasy Brill was making up to distract
himself. Which would be why it ended so abruptly, I think.
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Evil Editor said...Page 82, he's talking about experiencing the Newark
race riots and how once you experience violence on a major scale it's
easy to imagine worse and he says, Just think it and chances are it will
happen. Coming right after we discover that the two worlds may
intersect, I considered it possible we were dealing with something
Twilight Zoney, that what Brill thought in the dark became reality in a
parallel world.
Blogger ril said...Maybe this foreshadows Titus' death. Or perhaps the account of Titus' death shows us there
is worse that we can imagine.
Blogger fairyhedgehog said...I didn't pick up on that EE. I'm not sure that the two world's ever did quite intersect.
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Evil Editor said...They don't intersect, but they could have. If the
character in the story were real and came to kill his creator. That
would be a different book, but one I think I'd have still liked a lot.
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Steve said...I was certainly wondering what would happen if Brill
continued the Brick story until the two of them actually met ... but
then it all of a sudden didn't happen.
Blogger fairyhedgehog
said...I did wonder how Brill would handle Brick entering his world.
Would Auster let that happen and would Brill die? But he sidestepped
that by killing Brick. We could have lost our narrator. That's the
advantage of writing in the present tense, there is no guarantee that
the narrator will be there beyond the words he is currently writing. So
it was getting quite tense for me.
Blogger Dave F. said...Dreams
are typically reflections of real life, so it wouldn't be unexpected
that his night stories would be like bad dreams and reflect some dread
aspect of his real life. I liked that shift, it gave the dream immediacy
and importance.
Blogger fairyhedgehog said...One minor point, I
found the lack of speech marks irritating. It made it less easy to find
speech when I was looking back over the book.
Blogger ril
said...I was wondering if anybody found present tense distracting. I
didn't, it pulled me right in. But often people critiquing other people
rail against present tense...
Blogger Evil Editor said...I wasn't bothered by the tense. Maybe it helped that there was plenty of past tense as well.
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fairyhedgehog said...I barely noticed the present tense and usually I
hate it. That tells me that this is very well done.
Dave F. said...I had no problem with the tense, present or past.
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Steve said...ril, I think the immediacy of present tense works well, in
this one - it's very much whatever's passing through his head *right
now*. I don't have a problem with it.
Blogger fairyhedgehog said...I was amazed that the book spans a single night and yet there's a liftime of story in it.
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ril said...And on a similar theme... Did anybody look at it, a houseful
of introspective, miserable, damamged people, and think, Oh God,
Literary?
Blogger Dave F. said...Ril, yes I did until the story changed and reflected their real lives.
Blogger Evil Editor said...If you reject the idea that the story he's making up in the dark could be real, it
is literary, isn't it?
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fairyhedgehog said...ril: no, I didn't because I was pulled in right
from the start. I've had a few restless nights lately and maybe it was a
sense of fellow feeling but the main story seemed amazingly real to me.
I was sad when Brick got killed. I'd been interested in his story and
when he died I was thinking, "Well, what's next then?". We had a third
of the book still to go.
Blogger ril said...I think Literary gets
a bad press as being turgid, miserable, self-conscious, over-wrought
prose. This was an easy read. Auster doesn't let the writing get in the
way of the story. His simplicity of words is a stark contrast to
Rushdie's embellishments.
Blogger fairyhedgehog said...That's a
good point, ril. I love his style. I didn't think anyone was writing
these days in such a deceptively simple style and I found it refreshing.
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Steve said...I thought pretty much from the get-go that this was
literary fiction with a lot of metafictional content. (I've got no
problem with that. Just because I write generic horror and fantasy tat,
it doesn't mean I don't read proper books!)
Anonymous Anonymous said...It definitely literary, look how long it takes to write the comments while people think.
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Dave F. said...I've been through several "Dread family secret" in real
life and to tell be honest, it can get rather silly. I mean how many
times can we punish children and grandchildren for something like an
illegitimate birth or the "wrong" father... What could be so horrible
that everything changes thereafter? That's Brill's story. He was
changing history so the dread family secret wouldn't happen.
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ril said...This isn't Auster's first metafictional, magic-realism work,
but I was struck reading this of the similarities to the work Haruki
Murakami who also picks at the edges of the real world to see what's
underneath.
Blogger Dave F. said...Brick dies suddenly just as
Titus dies suddenly. They are the same sudden death in so many ways --
unseen and unexpected. And Titus was the one who went while BRill was
the one who stayed behind, just like BRick. Brick is Augie Brill's
invention to distract him from the sleepless night. He's trying hard to
understand what has happened in real life. He doesn't know how to fix
the problem he is living with (figuratively and in person). He's in a
house of pain. Brick is as clueless as Brill is puzzled in a hole
surrounded by conspirators. Notice Brick's world is still at war but it
is a civilized revolt here in the USA. His break with history obviates
the need for a foreign war.
Blogger ril said...We seemed to have a
lot of "tropes". The Literary trope as mentioned; alternate realities;
the intrusion of, and interaction with, the author (reminded me of
Sophie's World); magic portals (the "hole"; the injection)...
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Steve said...I was reminded, a few times, of John Gardner's "October
Light" - both books feature a character shut away, in some sense, and
finding sources of distraction while they're putting off dealing with an
uncomfortable reality.
Blogger ril said...Was Brill's story of Owen Brick a novel or a movie?
Blogger Evil Editor said...Strikes me as movie-like.
Blogger ril said...Movies, of course, were also central to Auster's Book of Illusions.
Blogger Evil Editor said...Of course? Was that our homework assignment?
Blogger ril said...No, sorry, that's just what it says in my Cliff's Notes here.
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Dave F. said...The art of making a small film is to deliver a huge
climax with just tiny words and simple, ordinary movements. To state the
obvious but necessary, everything in a movie is huge so expressions,
blinks, simple gestures can be tiny. On the stage, the audience is
farther away and the actors smaller. The movements must be grand and
sweeping. In a novel, we're back to details and microscopic examinations
just like the movie. a very tiny detail in a short sentence or a single
word can carry the entire meaning. That's what he saw in those movies.
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fairyhedgehog said...I'd assumed Brick's story was a novel and that
Brick was playing it out in his mind prior to writing it down. There's
no textual evidence for that at all, as far as I can see. It shows how
easy it is to project our own way of thinking onto a what we read. The
way he tells it is more like watching a film.
Blogger Steve
said...I would have thought "novel". A lot of the Brick story seems to
be internal to Brick's POV - things he's thinking and feeling, not what
he's doing. I guess it's not impossible to convey these things in a
movie, though.
Blogger Evil Editor said...I was almost as into
the story of Noriko. The Tokyo Story summary. Made me want to find a
copy of that film. In fact it made me want to see the crucial scenes
they discussed in several movies.
Blogger Evil Editor said...I decided to read one chapter before going to bed. Imagine my surprise when I realized the book
had only one chapter.
Blogger fairyhedgehog said...So what time did you get to bed, EE?
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Evil Editor said...Had to finish it all. You know how you flip ahead to
see how long the next chapter is so you can decide if you have time to
read it? Usually it turns out to be fewer than 180 pages.
Blogger ril said...At least it had enough double-space breaks that I could pee occasionally.
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Dave F. said...It's a well structured book. The two stories (Brill and
Brick) blend well and don't need chapter separations. In fact, it moght
be said that the story would suffer it it was not told as one unit, one
night, the one episode where Brill breaks through the sorrow and guilt
and tries to heal his family after a horrendous event.
Blogger Steve said...I suppose if it keeps you up all night reading it, well, that's thematically consistent, isn't it?
Blogger Evil Editor said...There's a YouTube of Auster reading from the book. Almost an hour's worth.
Blogger Dave F. said...I have to check out that youtube.
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fairyhedgehog said...Did you all enjoy it? I loved it but I found some
of it rather difficult to take - the descriptions of horrors that had
happened. I did think it was a wonderful book though. Thank you to
whoever chose it because I would never have found it without this book
chat.
Blogger Steve said...yes, I liked it. And I think the
horrors are meant to be hard to take ... which is why Brill is where he
is; lying awake at night with his thoughts revolving around things he'd
rather not think about, but can't avoid.
Blogger ril said...I
enjoyed it. At times, I thought it was going to be a kind of Literary
Misery, with Auster playing the Annie character, imprisoning and
threatening to kill the hapless literary critic. But it wasn't, really.
Blogger Evil Editor said...I think it's as good as anything we've read for the chats.
I give it five stars.
Blogger Dave F. said...Would anyone have read it if the author had said it was a book about coming to terms with a death?
Blogger Evil Editor said...I try to have as little advance info as possible about a book or movie when I experience it.
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ril said...I noticed some similar devices to Murakami's The Wind Up
Bird Chronicle. The hole echoed the well in Murakami's book (though not
as significant in Auster's). Both books have a brutal death during
wartime. both have themes of magic realism.
Blogger Evil Editor
said...I had a good idea of how the guy had died from the fact that
there was film of it. I wondered if I was supposed to get the hints or
if it was supposed to be a shocking revelation at the end.
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ril said...I think Auster is smarter than to think he could be coy
about that. The Daniel Pearl video really did shock the world.
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Steve said...Well, we knew from the outset that Titus had been killed -
we didn't know (or, at least, I didn't realize) that we were actually
going to see it happen. (I thought that scene was done really well,
myself - just the right level of unflinching realism without sliding
over into graphic gore.)
Blogger fairyhedgehog said...I was
puzzled by the references to film of the death. I'm guessing that even
if I'd realised what he meant, the actual scene itself would still be
shocking. What do you think the book was saying? That life is dreadful,
or can be, but we all falter on? Or what?
Blogger Evil Editor said...Maybe it's the same as the film: Life is disappointing, isn't it? And I want you to be happy.
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Dave F. said...What is the aftermath of a death? That's the question
that Auster asked and in some ways answered. I've been through a few too
many deaths not to see that. And sudden, violent, unreasonable death
really messes with the mind and creates traps that linger through the
years.
Blogger ril said...Certainly enough to make you want to rewrite history...
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Dave F. said...I had five coworkers dies on Flight 427 (it's got a
wikipedia page). I was a friend of four. The coworker I didn't know had
an even more tragic story. All work stopped for a week and we had 500
employees. We weren't a small company. An an airplane crash has goriness
that haunts me. I heard the stories of the first responders. I heard
the stories of the people who weren't on the flight. That is why Brill
lays awake.
Blogger ril said...Brill abstracts Titus' death to
cope with it: Titus becomes not a person but an idea of a person.
Fiction, movies, also abstract reality and represent ideas of people.
I've only read this Auster and "Book of Illusions". Im definitely
inclined to read a few more of his. This is a guy who knows how to tell a
story.
With some of the characters and setups in Brick's story
being a little two-dimensional, did anyone think Auster might be
suggesting critics can criticize but they can't write...
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Evil Editor said...The chat is shorter when the book is better. Easier
to think of what to say about a flawed book. Plus we're missing a few
regulars.
vkw said...I apologize for not be able to be here, to
discuss the book. Something came up which is usually the case on Sat.
morning. I could not put this book down - but had to after 90 pages and
then finished the rest the next time I had an opportunity. Auster can
tell a story and he certainly did well with theme, I think, "Life is
disappointing, isn't it? And I want you to be happy." But there was this
sadness to it and a realization that sometimes we cause our own
unhappiness and sometimes tragedy happens we have no control of - yet we
think we should have. And sometimes, unhappiness happens we can change.
There was a underlining sense of guilt as well for things the
characters did not cause and the things they did cause in their life. I
think that was the message of the dream - or the need for the dream - to
have control of something - when Brill had no control over anything
that happened in his life over the past year. But it ended with just a
small whisper of hope - I can control today. I can enjoy a good
breakfast today. I can be happy today - in this moment. I was most
surprise, and even shocked, when it is revealed Brill knew Titus quite
well. He must have had tremendous feelings when he saw him killed - but
he distanced himself from his own feelings - hiding behind his dream and
his granddaughter - recognizing and understanding her guilt and grief
but not dealing with his own. And, interesting enough, he complains at
one point that this is his wife's character defect. That she never knew
herself. A beautiful snapshot of human character, written so well and
captured so delicately - we always dislike in others the most what we
dislike in ourselves. I would have never of read this book without this
blog. Thank you for the opportunity to experience something so
beautiful.
Blogger sylvia said...ARGH!
Blogger Matthew
said...I missed the whole chat! Dammit...I just can't wake up that early
on a saturday. After reading all the comments I can see that I don't
have anything new to add. I liked it as well.
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BuffySquirrel said...Sorry, EE. I did want to be here, but it's airshow
season, and husband made a last-minute decision to go to the IAT.
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Evil Editor said...You have our permission to dump him. But we can't
absolve you from tossing in a comment or two about the book.
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Jeb said...I too was struck by the power of the opening paragraphs.
Superb pacing, and the writing drew me smoothly onward until far past
bedtime.
Blogger Aimee K. Maher said...I can't believe I read the
whole thing. No, I don't have the book. I meant the comments. Like I
have nothing better to do than pump up my already bloated, damn Amazon
WISHLIST!
Blogger BuffySquirrel said...Well, the book wasn't my
sort of thing at all. But I enjoyed it muchly, except for the dip where
the narrator started making excuses for his affairs, which offered
nothing I haven't read a million times before, but one dip in a very
entertaining novel is okay. I also do not like this trend towards not
bothering with speech marks. It isn't always clear to me what's speech
and what's thought and what's narrative, and it seems to me it's the
writer's job to MAKE it clear, not mine to puzzle over it. I suppose
it's some kind of po-mo thing where immersion doesn't matter? la
Good book.