Book Chat 12: Richard Price/Lush Life

February, 2009
Evil
Editor said...People have a lot more to say when the book sucks, so I
expect this chat to be very short. In short, I loved it.
Robin S. said...I love the title of this one. so far, it wins Favorite Title.
sylvia said...I really enjoyed it.
Evil
Editor said...I was slightly bothered at first till I got used to the
street language and to the author's tendency to use ing words instead of
ed words, like he was giving stage directions. But once I was into it I
didn't want it to end.
Robin S. said...When was the last time you thought that during a Book Chat book?
Evil
Editor said...I've seldom felt that in any book. When it's time for the
ending, I don't mind it ending. But an investigation can go on as long
as it has to.
sylvia said...I very much disliked the first
chapter - the use of language and the initial action. If I'd read that
in a bookstore, I would have put the book down.
Evil Editor said...The first chapter meaning the prologue or chapter 1?
sylvia said...Sorry, I meant the prologue.
sylvia
said...I got into it very quickly after that although I never really
understood the whole Quality of Life thing nor why there were four cops
in a single car.
Evil Editor said...When you're driving around NYC at 3 AM looking for criminals, you don't want to be alone, I guess.
Evil
Editor said...Interesting. I really like the prologue. I got bogged
down a bit in chapter 1 with the street language. Chapter 2 is about
three hundred pages long, so if you get thru that, you may as well
finish.
sylvia said...It might just be my lack of understanding
of New York police ...But I didn't understand why they were called
Quality of Life, I didn't get why there were four of them looking to
pick up possible perps (or where they would put the bad guys that they
caught) and I found the entire "We're your friends, now tell us where to
buy a gun" spiel annoying.
Evil Editor said...Not where to
buy a gun. They were saying we'll go easy on you if you tell us someone who
has a
gun. Maybe Quality of Life was something those four guys came up with
as a joke. It was cool that they weren't just dropped after the
prologue, but popped up several times and were largely responsible for
getting the killer. I felt like the author really knew his stuff as far
as how the police operate.
sylvia said...Just got the book out - yeah, I was firmly hooked by chapter two.
Robin
S. said...For what it's worth, by the way, YouTube has several Richard
Price videos. Interesting guy. I watched the Google talk he did.
Anyway...
sylvia said...I loved Matty. I found it difficult at
times to keep up with all the names. I flicked back at times to check
but it didn't actually annoy me.
freddie said...I confess I'm showing up to yet another book chat having not read the book.
Robin S. said...That's OK, freddie. It's fun having you here!!!
sylvia
said...This is a book I want to reread - maybe I'll like them better
next time. I was glad that they had an integral part to play in the end,
as I would have been really annoyed if they were just there for colour.
Robin S. said...Wow, Sylvia, you want to reread it? That to me is a mark of excellence.
Evil Editor said...I almost reread it right after reading it, but then I decided that would be silly.
Robin
S. said...Not silly, EE. I've read the last page of a book before and
was so upset it was over, I turned back and started again.
Evil Editor said...Actually, this was one of my favorite books ever. Maybe I need to read more.
sylvia
said...I thought about restarting it about halfway through but I was
worried I wouldn't finish in time. But there were some back references
where I only half remembered what had been said initially.
sylvia said...I have a question: Did you like Eric Cash ?
Evil
Editor said...I did like Eric when he was at work. I got annoyed when
he decided to clam up. Of course he had reason to be angry at the cops,
but still...
sylvia said...I felt sorry for Eric but I didn't
like him at all until the end of the book and I kept feeling guilty, as
if I should like him. I was wondering if it was just me.
Robin S. said...Why didn't you like Eric, Sylvia?
sylvia
said...Eric frustrated me, he seemed so wishywashy and convinced he was
destined for greater things but not getting them. Then he got treated
so badly and I felt like I should care about him more but somehow he
didn't. But I was on such a high by the end of the book, I liked even
him :)
Robin S. said...Was Eric a typical person laid bare? By
that I mean, a person who wants to be one thing, but can't quite make
it, and so, is another thing, and rationalizes about it?
Evil Editor said...What about the father of the deceased? He was an interesting character.
sylvia
said...My very favourite scene from a writing point of view was when
the father talks about going to a Survivor's Support group thing and the
DI says, yeah, for counselling and the father says no, to volunteer to
help others...I was awestruck. So much crazy explained to the reader in
one brief exchange. In terms of character study, the book was amazing. I
mean, the plot was about a simple mugging that went wrong. The entire
story was about the people who were touched by it. I can't imagine how
you would write that query.
Robin S.said...And yeah, what about
the query for a multi-layered novel that's about one thing, but is
really about quite a bit more?
Dave F. said...That's where you begin the query - "A mugging gone bad affects four, five, six characters in different ways..."
Evil Editor said...Fortunately, when you have several novels sold and an agent, you don't need to write query letters anymore.
Robin S. said...Yeah, EE, but if this was his first...
Evil
Editor said...You'd have to concentrate on Matty and his partner. A few
words about Eric, nothing about Billy. There'd be little hint of the
depth of the book. But all you're trying to do is intrigue the editor
enough to get him to read a chapter or two, at which point he's hooked.
Or an idiot.
Robin S. said...Isn't this one of those books that became a surprise bestseller?
Reviews were mixed - but on the whole, on the positive side.
Evil Editor said...Your fave Dennis Lehane wrote the top blurb on the back cover.
Robin
S. said...Well, there you go, then. I freaking LOVE Dennis Lehane's
writing - so if he liked the book, that's saying something.
Evil Editor said...
Liked it? "Richard Price is the greatest writer of dialogue, living or dead, this country has ever produced.
Lush Life is his masterwork."
Robin S. said...Whoa, EE - that's something, coming from a genius like Lehane.
Dave F. said...I thought the book was tougher to read thanks to the names and jargon. I don't like that behavior out of police.
sylvia
said...I think Eric was someone who I wouldn't like as a general rule,
so that came across. By the time the world went to hell (i.e. the Irish
waitress dumped him and the girlfriend was leaving and the newspaper
story) I at least felt he deserved to feel miserable. The police
behaviour was shocking but struck me as realistic.
Evil Editor said...Yes, it seems experienced cops know what works, even though we might like to think it's like on TV.
freddie said...If it's anything like Chicago police, I'd probably find it believable.
Dave F. said...I've known bigoted policemen of both colors. The book was real about that.
sylvia said...Yolanda actually pushed boundaries more than anyone but I couldn't help but love her.
Dave
F. said...I know a cop who let two guys fight in a bar while keeping
them from destroying furniture and other patrons. His excuse was why
take on a fresh fighter, let them beat each other into submission. It
sounded reasonable until he told racist stories I would be ashamed to
repeat here.
sylvia said...Matty was the star, really. I really liked the balance that his drug dealing sons gave.
sylvia said..."As intersecting narratives hurtle toward a climax that's both expected and shocking..." Was it
shocking?
Evil
Editor said...Shocking? I did lose confidence that it was going to end
the way that I expected, so I don't think I'd have been shocked either
way. On the other hand, I can't smugly say I knew for sure what would
happen.
Dave F. said...If I am enjoying the character study, then
I don't resent a bit of predictability. It's the detail of the
characters that thrills.
Robin S. said...I missed a good one, didn't I?
sylvia
said...I didn't feel it was shocking / surprising - it was all leading
inexorably to the boy being caught and the father still not able to
start a new life and Matty would keep on struggling. The only real
unexpected bit was getting custody of the son.
Evil Editor
said...For a while it was leading inexorably to the investigation
failing. The top brass had no interest, the witness wouldn't talk...
sylvia
said...Hmm, true but I still believed the boy would be caught - as well
as the investigation failing. His confidence was such, I thought it
seemed likely he'd do something stupid.
BuffySquirrel said... oh heck i forgot! Read the bloody book for nothing....
sylvia said...Buffy! What did you think of it? Quick, before he locks it :)
BuffySquirrel
said...I felt it was a great book if you like that sort of thing. But
truly, it was for New Yorkers, imo, which I'm not!
Evil Editor said...Though after reading the book, Buffy, you've no doubt decided you want to be a New Yorker.
BuffySquirrel said...Nah, EE, it seems to come with a whole lot of architectural baggage :D.